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A thread where ex PNG geriatrics lapuns and long longs can live in the dim distant past.
Where tall stories are accepted as fact. War stories are applauded. Grab a Brownie, pull up a story and join in a trip down memory lane!!! 
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PNG Ples Bilong Tok Tok
On a lighter note CASA PNG advertised in last Friday's PNG National newspaper for a whole heap of people. This also inculded 4 positions for Flying OPS inspectors.
Can't find a link to the ad to post here and there is no link on their website about the positions either for those that may be interested.
Back to the Otter mishap, I'm sure there is enough good information and one sided opinions in relation to similiar topics on other past threads on this forum. The most important thing here is that no one was injured or killed. Have the pilots been suspended ? That's none of your business if you weren't directly involved in the incident. This isn't Australia we are talking about it's PNG and the country has it's own aviation laws, not Australia's. At the end of the day the aircraft will continue to crash and kill people in PNG, it's a fact of life regardless of the aircraft type or experience levels of the pilots. And for the record the pilot in command of the Otter involved was by no means a new pilot to the country. Simple fact is, if you feel unsafe flying in PNG don't fly in PNG, get a job somewhere else.
Can't find a link to the ad to post here and there is no link on their website about the positions either for those that may be interested.
Back to the Otter mishap, I'm sure there is enough good information and one sided opinions in relation to similiar topics on other past threads on this forum. The most important thing here is that no one was injured or killed. Have the pilots been suspended ? That's none of your business if you weren't directly involved in the incident. This isn't Australia we are talking about it's PNG and the country has it's own aviation laws, not Australia's. At the end of the day the aircraft will continue to crash and kill people in PNG, it's a fact of life regardless of the aircraft type or experience levels of the pilots. And for the record the pilot in command of the Otter involved was by no means a new pilot to the country. Simple fact is, if you feel unsafe flying in PNG don't fly in PNG, get a job somewhere else.
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Does everyone know that above 10,000 O2 for everyone now in PNG.
Hagan via the Kuta coming from Porgera sounds like a long way 'round. Why not via the Lagiap and the Byer? Pure speculation still I guess...
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Night Beetle,
Can you give the rule part reference for that please, because I can't find it in my edition of Part 91, or in the NPRM. Maybe my references are out of date? Thanks NB.
If it's right, then it's going to make a BIG difference to how some operations will need to be conducted I reckon.
Does everyone know that above 10,000 O2 for everyone now in PNG.
If it's right, then it's going to make a BIG difference to how some operations will need to be conducted I reckon.
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http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/3443176/july-august11.pdf
Kokoda crash prompts major safety improvements
...The aircraft operator has taken extensive proactive safety action in
response to the risk of inadvertent flight into cloud while employing
visual flight procedures...
Now they just need to do the same for terrain
Investigation: AE-2009-050 - Controlled flight into terrain - 11 km south-east of Kokoda Airstrip, Papua New Guinea, 11 August 2009, P2-MCB, De Havilland Canada DHC-6-300
Sorry guys i'm sympathetic to the problems of operating in the new guinea highlands but enough is enough. I have memories of clinging to the webbing trying to stay between the floor and ceiling of a Dakota in the late 60's and nothing really seems to have changed. Same ole problems same ole lessons to be learnt (and they where not new lessons even then)
Good to see that people are at least considering 21st century technologies, GPS, GPWS, Synthetic Vision etc
Kokoda crash prompts major safety improvements
...The aircraft operator has taken extensive proactive safety action in
response to the risk of inadvertent flight into cloud while employing
visual flight procedures...
Now they just need to do the same for terrain
Investigation: AE-2009-050 - Controlled flight into terrain - 11 km south-east of Kokoda Airstrip, Papua New Guinea, 11 August 2009, P2-MCB, De Havilland Canada DHC-6-300
Sorry guys i'm sympathetic to the problems of operating in the new guinea highlands but enough is enough. I have memories of clinging to the webbing trying to stay between the floor and ceiling of a Dakota in the late 60's and nothing really seems to have changed. Same ole problems same ole lessons to be learnt (and they where not new lessons even then)
Good to see that people are at least considering 21st century technologies, GPS, GPWS, Synthetic Vision etc
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"..clinging to the webbing trying to stay between the floor and ceiling of a Dakota in the late 60's..."
I have rather fond memories of the side saddle Goonies and the guys that flew them with the center isle full of cargo. I didn't think they were that bad!
Maybe frightening for you then, when you were so young in the 1960s?
Working at the Porgera mine, or a long term PNG pilot?
I have rather fond memories of the side saddle Goonies and the guys that flew them with the center isle full of cargo. I didn't think they were that bad!
Maybe frightening for you then, when you were so young in the 1960s?
Working at the Porgera mine, or a long term PNG pilot?
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What? No more 10-14,000 for up to 30min without?
Only one a/c I flew on a regular basis had O2 equipment fitted and when the bottle ran out one day the CP wasn't interested in having it refilled in any great hurry.
You just did what you had to do.
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Agreed Pinky,
You do what you gotta do to stay safe.
I wouldn't have cared if they had changed it to O2 above 2000', I would do what I had to do to get my passengers home as safely as possible.
You do what you gotta do to stay safe.
I wouldn't have cared if they had changed it to O2 above 2000', I would do what I had to do to get my passengers home as safely as possible.
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Yes childhood memories grew up in png and we left in 75 before independence. Haven’t been back yet !
The company I work for (not aviation related) recently picked up a project at Porgera. It was my boss who came out on the 9th. He regaled us with his tale of the bus trip from Porgera to Mt Hagen but failed to mention the damaged Twin Otter until I saw it mentioned here. He still hasn’t replied to my email asking him why he failed to mention it…
I was hoping to get some more information on the incident but it seems not. Never mind I had sort of made up my mind I wasn’t going anyway. Due more to the food / accommodation / nightlife
than real concerns about aviation safety. Some of my colleagues asked me for my opinion a while ago and I told them not to worry too much. "They only hire experienced pilots and use modern high performance aircraft that are well maintained, they have GPS now etc etc" And then something like this happens 
The company I work for (not aviation related) recently picked up a project at Porgera. It was my boss who came out on the 9th. He regaled us with his tale of the bus trip from Porgera to Mt Hagen but failed to mention the damaged Twin Otter until I saw it mentioned here. He still hasn’t replied to my email asking him why he failed to mention it…
I was hoping to get some more information on the incident but it seems not. Never mind I had sort of made up my mind I wasn’t going anyway. Due more to the food / accommodation / nightlife
than real concerns about aviation safety. Some of my colleagues asked me for my opinion a while ago and I told them not to worry too much. "They only hire experienced pilots and use modern high performance aircraft that are well maintained, they have GPS now etc etc" And then something like this happens
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"They only hire experienced pilots and use modern high performance aircraft that are well maintained, they have GPS now etc etc"
modern high performance aircraft
Experienced pilots - yeah, from my personal experience, quite a few of their pilots are VERY experienced indeed.
But having said that, I'm at a bit of a loss to understand why this event actually happened though, particularly after all the lessons that were supposed to have been learned from the previous CFIT accident.
Maybe the PNG AIC will 'enlighten' us in due course?
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I guess you don't get in a car anymore! So many unexplained fatalities. And the authorities just won't listen!
Life is dangerous! Get over it and move on.... somewhere!
I guess you don't get in a car anymore! So many unexplained fatalities. And the authorities just won't listen!
Life is dangerous! Get over it and move on.... somewhere!
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Not been there for 20 years but would bet as the place sinks further into 3rd world status ,some agency that pours in lots of money might look at what nepotism and political correct bull**** can do there.Yes .and I got back to POM one afternoon with leaves stuck in port u/c leg of an Islander.,Chief engineer tugged them out.(leaves, that is ), laughed said AH.ll bet thaart put wind oop yer!!! and went back into the hangar. It was nt in . the paper or on the news, It was just a part of the learning curve and it did.(put wind oop me) but it never happened again ,either, in 3000 hrs in country.At that.,time , .In. 1973 I was being paid $240 per month, for a 6 day week 10 bucks a day And would nt have MISSED .IT FOR F---CKING QUIDS!!!
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Well tickle me with a whores thong!
Been apparent to me since January, it amazes me that they have got by to date without a prang, Matthew held it together, when he passed on, J S tried his inept best, G got what he deserves.
They had a DHC6 run off a strip with JS supposedly training on new years day, JS would not listen to the experienced Capt under training, nor would he listen to the chap he put in the left seat with no tiller experience, result one D6 off the strip & over the bank:
A good company with some real promise, but let down by incompetence.
Chr's
H/snort.
They had a DHC6 run off a strip with JS supposedly training on new years day, JS would not listen to the experienced Capt under training, nor would he listen to the chap he put in the left seat with no tiller experience, result one D6 off the strip & over the bank:
A good company with some real promise, but let down by incompetence.
Chr's
H/snort.
