Knx Operators Hire Over The Top?
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Knx Operators Hire Over The Top?
I heard through the vine that a certain KNX operator has begun hiring new pilots over the heads of older time experienced pilots.
I bet the old boys are not all to happy.
Also I have noticed when I fly into KNX from time to time the standard of airmanship has dropped from the good old days.
Has anyone else heard this?
I bet the old boys are not all to happy.
Also I have noticed when I fly into KNX from time to time the standard of airmanship has dropped from the good old days.
Has anyone else heard this?
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Maybe they are hiring more experienced pilots to ensure next season isn't has bad for them as this one was. You can't have multiple accidents every year. Another thing they could do is raise the level of check and training (or create a check and training program), because from what I've heard the general standard has droped this year.
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Slingair has been in turmoil ever since those nasty circuit heros, AKA the Jandikot Generals showed up. The check and training went way downhill as soon as the big boys from Jandy & Meridin rolled into town. March on the clowns
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From what I have heard Slingair have obtained long term contracts that require pilots to have a certain amount of multi time and experience, which mean't they had to look outside the company or turn the contracts down.
The rumours that I have heard sound like alot of s@$t spoken over a few beers to me and unless you know how the operation is truly run then dont critisize a proud Australian company that has given alot of pilots a start in aviation.
The rumours that I have heard sound like alot of s@$t spoken over a few beers to me and unless you know how the operation is truly run then dont critisize a proud Australian company that has given alot of pilots a start in aviation.
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No doubt they have given alot of pilots a start in the industry. Broke evey rule in CAO 48 to the extreme but we'll let em go on that one.
I wouldn't think they'd be to proud of the past 7 or so months. Enough trouble for them to start their own "Air Disaster" series. (avail at all good newsagencies early 2004!!)
I wouldn't think they'd be to proud of the past 7 or so months. Enough trouble for them to start their own "Air Disaster" series. (avail at all good newsagencies early 2004!!)
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The Jandakot General...
...is an interesting person.... And I had the pleasure to meet him... I also met the two former chief pilots of Sling Air and they are both reasonable and cool people, nothing like the General...plus Sling Air is supposingly one of the best GA companies to work for... But here is my story....
I (200 hrs/CPL-IR) went to Knx in March 2003 to find my first job, why??? Because I heard KNX is the place to be and everybody gets his/her first job there... Luckily the General granted me an interview which lasted 30 seconds. He offered my a job on the ground as a refuller and as a human answering machine for the first seasons amd flying the year after; He promised me to call me for a check ride... he never did... I left 3 messages a week for about 4 weeks, but nobody had the honesty and the pride to call me to say "sorry, come back next year..." This reflects the (lack of) professionalism of sling air... And the General. At the end Sling Air is just a normal average GA company... very disappointing...but that's just the way they treat you there.... But more to come about professionalism....
In regards to "hiring over the top" I know that there are very capable line pilots with a couple hundred multi bashing around in a C210 carrying bundles of tourists through the bungles every day... Why??? Because to get on the twins the general's philosophy is to be one of the general's henchmen... The requirements are to be from Perth and preferably without any charter experience.... I do realize that the C310 crash doesn't really help progression of pilots, but experience doesnt save anybody... A Duchess went down in Sydney about a year ago; the pilot was over 60 years and had 20000+ hours...and it was a pilot error.
There is also that interesting "3-chick policy". For some reason (I am not sure if this is again a General's thing) Sling HAS to maintain a stock of 3 pilot-girls every year... preferably blond and with big tits... The general seems to have a thing for girls and suddenly drops the minimum requirements to 200hrs... Most likely at the end of this year the general might have to amend this policy because excess wear and tear on undercarriages and nose wheels do cost money... (Pls dont get me wrong, I feel sorry for the girls who did the nosewheelers and the wheels-up last season though...because I think it is more a check and training issue on the General's behalf) and by the way as previous people posted here on this forum... CAO 48 - it simply does not exist in KNX...
The locals in KNX are very special as well... Mostly working class people by choice - predominately from Perth who couldn't make a living in a big city - decided that the only way out is the "Grand Escape" to go to KNX to find work at Tuckerbox or Coles filling up shelves for the rest of their lives... Maybe they make it to the check out supervisor or so, but who knows.... When you get a job there and if you are from the big city and possibly know more then they do... make sure you do not expose your excess knowledge and experience, as you are only a threat to them and you only make enemies...just do your job and shut up. KNX neither likes change nor people with Uni degrees...
I lived in a hostel dorm for a 100 bucks a week, sharing my room with 7-9 other unemployed pilots...everybody watches his mobile very closely and when it rings...everyone holds their breath because it might be the General...and ...ahhh...no .... Oh ****, it's just the folks ringing...
The only excitements are the open air movies every Saturday nite and the weekly piss-up at the local pub...with the general the main attraction of course...enjoying himself in company of his henchmen...who make sure he gets enough drinks. If I remember right, he prefers Carlton Cold...although he likes being surrounded by unemployed pilots because it must give him some form of satisfaction and give him a feel of being very powerful, please dont waste your money on him, you wont get a job by buying him a beer in the pub.
Guys with 200 hours pretty much dont have a chance in KNX... I am glad I didnt get a job there and I would never go to KNX ever again to look for work... I got out of there 3 months after my 30 second interview and got a job in the outback somewhere else and I am very happy where I am and what I am doing.... I did meet great people though who shared the same believes and thoughts as I did and still do about this special place...
I (200 hrs/CPL-IR) went to Knx in March 2003 to find my first job, why??? Because I heard KNX is the place to be and everybody gets his/her first job there... Luckily the General granted me an interview which lasted 30 seconds. He offered my a job on the ground as a refuller and as a human answering machine for the first seasons amd flying the year after; He promised me to call me for a check ride... he never did... I left 3 messages a week for about 4 weeks, but nobody had the honesty and the pride to call me to say "sorry, come back next year..." This reflects the (lack of) professionalism of sling air... And the General. At the end Sling Air is just a normal average GA company... very disappointing...but that's just the way they treat you there.... But more to come about professionalism....
In regards to "hiring over the top" I know that there are very capable line pilots with a couple hundred multi bashing around in a C210 carrying bundles of tourists through the bungles every day... Why??? Because to get on the twins the general's philosophy is to be one of the general's henchmen... The requirements are to be from Perth and preferably without any charter experience.... I do realize that the C310 crash doesn't really help progression of pilots, but experience doesnt save anybody... A Duchess went down in Sydney about a year ago; the pilot was over 60 years and had 20000+ hours...and it was a pilot error.
There is also that interesting "3-chick policy". For some reason (I am not sure if this is again a General's thing) Sling HAS to maintain a stock of 3 pilot-girls every year... preferably blond and with big tits... The general seems to have a thing for girls and suddenly drops the minimum requirements to 200hrs... Most likely at the end of this year the general might have to amend this policy because excess wear and tear on undercarriages and nose wheels do cost money... (Pls dont get me wrong, I feel sorry for the girls who did the nosewheelers and the wheels-up last season though...because I think it is more a check and training issue on the General's behalf) and by the way as previous people posted here on this forum... CAO 48 - it simply does not exist in KNX...
The locals in KNX are very special as well... Mostly working class people by choice - predominately from Perth who couldn't make a living in a big city - decided that the only way out is the "Grand Escape" to go to KNX to find work at Tuckerbox or Coles filling up shelves for the rest of their lives... Maybe they make it to the check out supervisor or so, but who knows.... When you get a job there and if you are from the big city and possibly know more then they do... make sure you do not expose your excess knowledge and experience, as you are only a threat to them and you only make enemies...just do your job and shut up. KNX neither likes change nor people with Uni degrees...
I lived in a hostel dorm for a 100 bucks a week, sharing my room with 7-9 other unemployed pilots...everybody watches his mobile very closely and when it rings...everyone holds their breath because it might be the General...and ...ahhh...no .... Oh ****, it's just the folks ringing...
The only excitements are the open air movies every Saturday nite and the weekly piss-up at the local pub...with the general the main attraction of course...enjoying himself in company of his henchmen...who make sure he gets enough drinks. If I remember right, he prefers Carlton Cold...although he likes being surrounded by unemployed pilots because it must give him some form of satisfaction and give him a feel of being very powerful, please dont waste your money on him, you wont get a job by buying him a beer in the pub.
Guys with 200 hours pretty much dont have a chance in KNX... I am glad I didnt get a job there and I would never go to KNX ever again to look for work... I got out of there 3 months after my 30 second interview and got a job in the outback somewhere else and I am very happy where I am and what I am doing.... I did meet great people though who shared the same believes and thoughts as I did and still do about this special place...
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Europilot does it ever occur to you that just maybeeee there are alot of pilots out there trying to get work and Slingair cannot employ everyone I bet they get hundreds of emails weekly. At least the General spoke to you. Even if you did not get a start consider yourself lucky and just maybeeeee he has you on file for next season.
You know its people like Reachtrap and Raingauge that are small minded W#$#$rs and bag aviation, is it because you are out of work or maybe your present employer treats you bad and you have nothing better to do but critisize other companys.
So maybe you three Whinges should get out of the industry and get mummy and daddy to pay for another career.
You know its people like Reachtrap and Raingauge that are small minded W#$#$rs and bag aviation, is it because you are out of work or maybe your present employer treats you bad and you have nothing better to do but critisize other companys.
So maybe you three Whinges should get out of the industry and get mummy and daddy to pay for another career.
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It doesent matter if the boss is a tosser or you think he is or isnt.
If you have the required qualifications and interview well and can fly well enough on the checkride you will get the job.
Otherwise quit whinging all of you....it is doing yourselves no service, particularly if prospective employers are viewing this post and may (possibly) know who you are. It wont help you any in the next job, and you are in danger of becoming the w@nker you despise yourself.
Bribery (beers) at the pub will not get you a job, maybe a check ride only, YOU ALONE and your ABILITY determine if you get the job.
End of rant.
If you have the required qualifications and interview well and can fly well enough on the checkride you will get the job.
Otherwise quit whinging all of you....it is doing yourselves no service, particularly if prospective employers are viewing this post and may (possibly) know who you are. It wont help you any in the next job, and you are in danger of becoming the w@nker you despise yourself.
Bribery (beers) at the pub will not get you a job, maybe a check ride only, YOU ALONE and your ABILITY determine if you get the job.
End of rant.
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It all boils down to wether or not you can fly a plane.
Unfortunatley over the years I have learnt that just because you have a liscense doesn't mean you can fly a plane...
Which takes us straight back to the training issues.......
Unfortunatley over the years I have learnt that just because you have a liscense doesn't mean you can fly a plane...
Which takes us straight back to the training issues.......
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I did pay for my own training... mummy and daddy didnt pay a cent... what I am trying to say is that KNX is NOT the place to be for a 200hr pilot... at peak times we counted over 50 unemployed pilots, towards june it went down to about 15-20. as far as I know Sling did not hire a 200hr MALE pilot this year and alligator only hired 2.
I am NOT pissed off at sling air because I didnt get a job; I do understand that they cant hire anyone and that SARS and the Iraq war didnt help this year, it's the way the whole recruitment was handled this year.. I expected more professionalism from one of the leading GA companies in OZ, and that is I believe the General's fault/achievement.
I got out in June and landed a charter job in a single only a couple of weeks after my departure... and so did most of the people who left KNX before or after me. Young pilots who are doing their training DO NOT have any idea what will happen to them to get their first job... If anybody wants my advice, I will be the first person trying to talk them out of going to KNX, there are better places around such as Alice, Katherine, Oenpelli, Gove, Groote Eyland and the west coast of WA,... with less competition.
I did pay for my own training... mummy and daddy didnt pay a cent... what I am trying to say is that KNX is NOT the place to be for a 200hr pilot... at peak times we counted over 50 unemployed pilots, towards june it went down to about 15-20. as far as I know Sling did not hire a 200hr MALE pilot this year and alligator only hired 2.
I am NOT pissed off at sling air because I didnt get a job; I do understand that they cant hire anyone and that SARS and the Iraq war didnt help this year, it's the way the whole recruitment was handled this year.. I expected more professionalism from one of the leading GA companies in OZ, and that is I believe the General's fault/achievement.
I got out in June and landed a charter job in a single only a couple of weeks after my departure... and so did most of the people who left KNX before or after me. Young pilots who are doing their training DO NOT have any idea what will happen to them to get their first job... If anybody wants my advice, I will be the first person trying to talk them out of going to KNX, there are better places around such as Alice, Katherine, Oenpelli, Gove, Groote Eyland and the west coast of WA,... with less competition.
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Is this a wind up?
No one owes you anything because you have a licence and a uni degree.
You're not the first pilot to not get a call. Companies like this get dozens of calls, resumes and walk ins every day. Just because you met the bloke doesn't mean that your a special person, no matter what you might dream lying in bed.
The paragraph that really brands you an over indulged, pathetic, egotistical and short minded brat, who though barely out of flying school looks down on all;
Well you have just exposed your LACK of knowledge, experience and intelligence. You're a threat to no one.
Good luck. You’ll need it.
Is this a wind up?
No one owes you anything because you have a licence and a uni degree.
He promised me to call me for a check ride... he never did... I left 3 messages a week for about 4 weeks, but nobody had the honesty and the pride to call me...
The paragraph that really brands you an over indulged, pathetic, egotistical and short minded brat, who though barely out of flying school looks down on all;
Mostly working class people by choice - predominately from Perth who couldn't make a living in a big city - decided that the only way out is the "Grand Escape" to go to KNX to find work at Tuckerbox or Coles filling up shelves for the rest of their lives... When you get a job there and if you are from the big city and possibly know more then they do... make sure you do not expose your excess knowledge and experience, as you are only a threat to them
Good luck. You’ll need it.
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Europilot again you are wrong I am a 220 hour pilot and never made it to KNX this year but a friend of mine did and got a start with Slingair and he only had 205 hours and yesssss he tells me that the general employed 8 pilots this year hours ranging fron 205 - 350.
He also tells me that the training and checking within the company is to very high standard he tells me if you are preparing for a line check you had better do your homework.
So maybe you should check your facts before you critisize a highly respected company.
He also tells me that the training and checking within the company is to very high standard he tells me if you are preparing for a line check you had better do your homework.
So maybe you should check your facts before you critisize a highly respected company.
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From my three years in Kunnas, I came to learn that the operators pick personality, learnability and preparation. I saw soooo many pilots come up with absolutely zip preparation and demanded a job... needless to say they still didnt have one by the end of their stay.
As the saying goes, shake a tree.... the operators pick the best for business at the time. If it works out for the operator and the pilot great, if not, it occasionally gets expensive for both the pocket and the reputation. Hours ranged that year for a start at 400-500 hours average, sometimes a little less. In the scheme of things 200 hours is a mere drop in the pond with so much more to learn and places like this are great for doing so with varied conditions, remote but not too remote, and a great support network from everyone involved up there. It is acknowleged however that a lack of experience can and does bring people undone.
I had a ball there, learned heaps, made friends, and found my aviation feet so to speak, but the following was observed; agro. arrogance and bloodyminded mudslinging gets little attention. Tourists and Kununurra are not for everyone. Maybe the CP's can see something that you cannot, or refuse to see. Accept that its time to either reassess, try another avenue or do an attitude check.
For anyone heading anywhere in life you have to plan prepare preview review.... this applies to aviation careers also. I suggest research on the company(ies), have maps, charts, relevant documentation, appropriate wear and leave your opinion in the car with the mobile. There is nothing worse than doing an interview and the chaps(esses) phone rings....
As the saying goes, shake a tree.... the operators pick the best for business at the time. If it works out for the operator and the pilot great, if not, it occasionally gets expensive for both the pocket and the reputation. Hours ranged that year for a start at 400-500 hours average, sometimes a little less. In the scheme of things 200 hours is a mere drop in the pond with so much more to learn and places like this are great for doing so with varied conditions, remote but not too remote, and a great support network from everyone involved up there. It is acknowleged however that a lack of experience can and does bring people undone.
I had a ball there, learned heaps, made friends, and found my aviation feet so to speak, but the following was observed; agro. arrogance and bloodyminded mudslinging gets little attention. Tourists and Kununurra are not for everyone. Maybe the CP's can see something that you cannot, or refuse to see. Accept that its time to either reassess, try another avenue or do an attitude check.
For anyone heading anywhere in life you have to plan prepare preview review.... this applies to aviation careers also. I suggest research on the company(ies), have maps, charts, relevant documentation, appropriate wear and leave your opinion in the car with the mobile. There is nothing worse than doing an interview and the chaps(esses) phone rings....
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You poor misguided fool. I'm not out of work, and get treated rather well. I think the award for GA pilots is a bit of a joke, but thats not my employeers problem.....and I am treated withing the guidlines that the award provides, which is more than what I can say for Slingair pilots.
I have never worked for a KU based company (thank goodness), but know enough guys that have to know what goes on up there.
I was mearly pointing out that a ground loop, wheels up, total plane wreck and who knows what else that has happened this year would mean that the standard had droped this year. If your suggesting that this dosen't indicate a drop in standard then I'd have to say the standard isn't very good then, is it?
Slingair simply have to lift their game. That is not a winge...just a fact.
As for my mummy and daddy paying for another career for me.....what was the first one they paid for??? And by the way, I've got a few to many hours to give the flying thing away...but thanks for your concern
You poor misguided fool. I'm not out of work, and get treated rather well. I think the award for GA pilots is a bit of a joke, but thats not my employeers problem.....and I am treated withing the guidlines that the award provides, which is more than what I can say for Slingair pilots.
I have never worked for a KU based company (thank goodness), but know enough guys that have to know what goes on up there.
I was mearly pointing out that a ground loop, wheels up, total plane wreck and who knows what else that has happened this year would mean that the standard had droped this year. If your suggesting that this dosen't indicate a drop in standard then I'd have to say the standard isn't very good then, is it?
Slingair simply have to lift their game. That is not a winge...just a fact.
As for my mummy and daddy paying for another career for me.....what was the first one they paid for??? And by the way, I've got a few to many hours to give the flying thing away...but thanks for your concern
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Raingauge Raingauge !!!!!!!!!
Lets look at the facts do you really know how and why the accidents happened or do you automatically blame the T&C system within an organization.
Again its little S$#TS like you who always assume and know best !!!!!!!
Also are you telling me that you have never had a incident during your very short flying career and if you have did you straight away blame your company C&T or just maybe your company doesn't have a C&T system in place.
As for the pay pilots get within Slingair I do believe they get the award so there you go again shooting your little low life mouth again just like I see you do to other companies when there is an incident you seem to know the facts before the actual company concerned does.
I will give you some good advise talk sense on PPrune and stop bagging various companies about what you assume.
I think you like throwing large rocks in glass houses.
Lets look at the facts do you really know how and why the accidents happened or do you automatically blame the T&C system within an organization.
Again its little S$#TS like you who always assume and know best !!!!!!!
Also are you telling me that you have never had a incident during your very short flying career and if you have did you straight away blame your company C&T or just maybe your company doesn't have a C&T system in place.
As for the pay pilots get within Slingair I do believe they get the award so there you go again shooting your little low life mouth again just like I see you do to other companies when there is an incident you seem to know the facts before the actual company concerned does.
I will give you some good advise talk sense on PPrune and stop bagging various companies about what you assume.
I think you like throwing large rocks in glass houses.