Saudi Impersonator really a **** of immense proportions
T&H,
I agree and thats where it is unfortunate that institutions like AFS etc do not have systems in place to put pay to individuals like this one before any training commences. i.e. as you say aptitude tests.
Even if this individual was told to take a hike, (at least I hope he has been) there is no doubt that a fair whack of the $86k was accepted all too eagerly.
How many other cases exist? How many students/wannabe's have you come across and thought that they would not make it?
I agree and thats where it is unfortunate that institutions like AFS etc do not have systems in place to put pay to individuals like this one before any training commences. i.e. as you say aptitude tests.
Even if this individual was told to take a hike, (at least I hope he has been) there is no doubt that a fair whack of the $86k was accepted all too eagerly.
How many other cases exist? How many students/wannabe's have you come across and thought that they would not make it?
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I think most people would agree Thump.
Maybe the government should look @ changing certain criteria, ie if you don't pass exams or attend lectures to a certain level your funding is pulled straight away no questions asked.
That might weed out those individuals that should be playin g golf
Maybe the government should look @ changing certain criteria, ie if you don't pass exams or attend lectures to a certain level your funding is pulled straight away no questions asked.
That might weed out those individuals that should be playin g golf
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All of the above is irrelevant for this tool " 'cause, I'm going to the Middle East after the court case" - to fly jets no doubt!
I'll laugh hard if he ends up in prison - he deserves it for that statement alone.
I'll laugh hard if he ends up in prison - he deserves it for that statement alone.
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Wonder if the penny will drop, when he finds himself in the right hand seat being told what to do by the reject he was doing the exams for....
This one was caught, makes one wonder how many have got through without being caught.
This one was caught, makes one wonder how many have got through without being caught.
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Do believe the following is very relevant to the subject being discussed.
Report 02-006 Partenavia P68B, ZK-ZSP, engine power loss and off-field landing 5 km southwest of Wairoa, 15 May 2002.
On 20th November 2002 the Commission recommended to the Director of Civil Aviation that he: ENHANCE THE POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR AIRCREW LICENSING WRITTEN EXAMINATIONS, THEIR PURPOSE AND CONSTRUCTION, AND THE CRITERIA THAT IS APPLIED TO EXAMINATION RESITS, SO THE 'PRACTICE EFFECT' DOES NOT UNDERMINE THE EXAMINATION PROCESS'
On 31st October 2002 the Director of Civil Aviation had responded to the preliminary safety recommendation accepting it. The recommendation remained unchanged and became final. The Directors response to the preliminary recommendation has been accepted and the final response and states in part.
THE DIRECTOR WILL ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AS WORDED IN THAT THE CURRENT REVIEW OF RULE 61 ADDRESSES THESE MATTERS AND A NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING IS CURRENTLY BEING DRAFTED FOR THE PUBLIC CONSULTATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CIVIL AVIATION ACT.
Now then chaps no need to worry, the solution to the problem of sitting exams many many many times is in hand. The Director has stated as much, the amount of thought that has to go into a major amendment of this nature requires time, one wonders HOW MUCH TIME?????
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Report 02-006 Partenavia P68B, ZK-ZSP, engine power loss and off-field landing 5 km southwest of Wairoa, 15 May 2002.
On 20th November 2002 the Commission recommended to the Director of Civil Aviation that he: ENHANCE THE POLICY AND PROCEDURES FOR AIRCREW LICENSING WRITTEN EXAMINATIONS, THEIR PURPOSE AND CONSTRUCTION, AND THE CRITERIA THAT IS APPLIED TO EXAMINATION RESITS, SO THE 'PRACTICE EFFECT' DOES NOT UNDERMINE THE EXAMINATION PROCESS'
On 31st October 2002 the Director of Civil Aviation had responded to the preliminary safety recommendation accepting it. The recommendation remained unchanged and became final. The Directors response to the preliminary recommendation has been accepted and the final response and states in part.
THE DIRECTOR WILL ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AS WORDED IN THAT THE CURRENT REVIEW OF RULE 61 ADDRESSES THESE MATTERS AND A NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE MAKING IS CURRENTLY BEING DRAFTED FOR THE PUBLIC CONSULTATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CIVIL AVIATION ACT.
Now then chaps no need to worry, the solution to the problem of sitting exams many many many times is in hand. The Director has stated as much, the amount of thought that has to go into a major amendment of this nature requires time, one wonders HOW MUCH TIME?????
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speaking of TAIC reports...anyone read the PA31-325 at Fielding crash report that came out this week?
any thoughts?
incidently....how come TAIC ended up with this and it wasnt just a normal CAA crash report?
any thoughts?
incidently....how come TAIC ended up with this and it wasnt just a normal CAA crash report?
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Fortunately for Kiwis there is in NZ a vast number of bitter and twisted people who wanted to fly for Air NZ, didn't get the chance, and spend an awfully large amount of their time screwing over anybody else who has embarked on an aviation career.
Maybe all future wannabees should be subject to some sort of Kangaroo Court via a forum like this and others should decide if they are worthy of a career in aviation.
Maybe all future wannabees should be subject to some sort of Kangaroo Court via a forum like this and others should decide if they are worthy of a career in aviation.
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1/ The incidents referred to relate to poor airmanship
2/ If one exibits poor enough airmanship, one can expect repercussions, such as death, permanent disability, regulatory action or just plain ridicule
3/ If you are close to the action refered, do not take it personally. All of the above was preventable, had the regulator been doing its job properly. This is where the criticism is really directed.
4/ Since when is Air NZ the center of the aviation universe?
2/ If one exibits poor enough airmanship, one can expect repercussions, such as death, permanent disability, regulatory action or just plain ridicule
3/ If you are close to the action refered, do not take it personally. All of the above was preventable, had the regulator been doing its job properly. This is where the criticism is really directed.
4/ Since when is Air NZ the center of the aviation universe?
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Stillalbatross;
In the context of the thread I am afraid I am having difficulty understanding your post.
Why is it fortunate for Kiwi's that we have vast numbers of bitter and twisted people who wished to fly for ANZ????
For some punters that was their ambition and those that made it certainly put in the hard yards. But ANZ was certainly not the ambition of many others who found much satisfaction in other spheres of aviation activity. If you are of the opinion that the person whose activities started the thread is in any way deserving of any sympathy than I do believe you are much in need of an accelerated course in reality.
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In the context of the thread I am afraid I am having difficulty understanding your post.
Why is it fortunate for Kiwi's that we have vast numbers of bitter and twisted people who wished to fly for ANZ????
For some punters that was their ambition and those that made it certainly put in the hard yards. But ANZ was certainly not the ambition of many others who found much satisfaction in other spheres of aviation activity. If you are of the opinion that the person whose activities started the thread is in any way deserving of any sympathy than I do believe you are much in need of an accelerated course in reality.
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Maybe I didn't explain myself too well. I thought the post was leading towards people not getting an equal opportunity to pursue an aviation career in NZ. You can smite the P68 driver as being inept but where does it all end. Who decides what is a basic mistake and what is a major airmanship error. In context I was referring to the fact that there may be a lot of people not in Air NZ who, like myself are relatively happy with their current lot. But there is also a large number who are flying in NZ who hate the operator they are currently with, blame the industry for their current predicament and would seize every opportunity to screw a fellow aviator if they could.
No. I wasn't for a minute saying that the Arab deserved any simpathy but how can you draw parallels with the other incident. For my money the Queen Air crash and the inability of two pilots to deadstick a benign aircraft in VMC into a large bunch of paddocks was even stupider. And everybody died.
All I am saying is it's a slippery slope.
No. I wasn't for a minute saying that the Arab deserved any simpathy but how can you draw parallels with the other incident. For my money the Queen Air crash and the inability of two pilots to deadstick a benign aircraft in VMC into a large bunch of paddocks was even stupider. And everybody died.
All I am saying is it's a slippery slope.
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stillalbatross,
The point I was making was that the CAA were going to rectify the problem of people sitting the theory exams ad infinitum until such time as they scraped through. This was brought up in the accident report quoted, the Director made the statements quoted on the recommendation of the TAIC. According to the newspaper article the person in question had sat the exams 27 times. So obviously, as I stated in previous post, the decision to take the action as stated, and actually having the end affect required, must have been put in the too hard basket. I agree with your sentiment stated re Queen Air accident, and there is even more that is cause for concern that was not pointed out in the accident report.
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The point I was making was that the CAA were going to rectify the problem of people sitting the theory exams ad infinitum until such time as they scraped through. This was brought up in the accident report quoted, the Director made the statements quoted on the recommendation of the TAIC. According to the newspaper article the person in question had sat the exams 27 times. So obviously, as I stated in previous post, the decision to take the action as stated, and actually having the end affect required, must have been put in the too hard basket. I agree with your sentiment stated re Queen Air accident, and there is even more that is cause for concern that was not pointed out in the accident report.
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No business has morals or we would not have terms like "Risk Management Assesment" as in where the automobile manufacturer concludes that while a percentage of his vehicles will explode frying the unfortunate. It is within acceptable financial boundaries and simply easier to pay-off the impending lawsuits as they happen, than make changes to the manufacturing process.
Its also why all the shonky factories and chemical timebombs are dumped in some black-fellas country.
So what makes you think flying schools should be any different?
Its also why all the shonky factories and chemical timebombs are dumped in some black-fellas country.
So what makes you think flying schools should be any different?
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Oh it's great to get a chuckle from this thread.
However, how can can this dic#@acker leave this country with such a loan?
Glad to see some agreeing with the requirement of periodic checks & balances with loans!
$86000! Man I could'a bought an investment property with that and still done some flying!
Looking forward to the court reports....
And given the current CAA manager, don't expect anything to get better. He's the worst example we could possibly have as the head of our CAA!
However, how can can this dic#@acker leave this country with such a loan?
Glad to see some agreeing with the requirement of periodic checks & balances with loans!
$86000! Man I could'a bought an investment property with that and still done some flying!
Looking forward to the court reports....
And given the current CAA manager, don't expect anything to get better. He's the worst example we could possibly have as the head of our CAA!
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CT7, I agree
If you would all like a laugh (another) Laugh @ this twats expense, there is another threed floating around about his parents. They are currently in trouble with the local council because their back yard resembles the local tip. "bloody good laugh"
"Check out the old mans comments you may be surprised (or not) but they have the same overtones as their half breed son"
P.S. I didn't know that inbreeding was the in thing around Auckland these days"
If you would all like a laugh (another) Laugh @ this twats expense, there is another threed floating around about his parents. They are currently in trouble with the local council because their back yard resembles the local tip. "bloody good laugh"
"Check out the old mans comments you may be surprised (or not) but they have the same overtones as their half breed son"
P.S. I didn't know that inbreeding was the in thing around Auckland these days"
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I think you'll find it's his mother (or is that sister...), splat, but in this particular case it probably doesn't matter - I'd bet he hasn't noticed.
Depositions start today TRG District Court - sorry don't know when.
ps: I think inbreeding is confined to isolated parts of Auckland West and most of Hokitika 
Depositions start today TRG District Court - sorry don't know when.
ps: I think inbreeding is confined to isolated parts of Auckland West
and most of Hokitika
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Another Moron on the AFS production line
Can't believe AFS took all his (our taxpayer) money before deciding to do something about it!!! Good on them for trying I guess but when It's our tax money, it's not really such a joke! They have every resource available to screen candidates, but refrain from doing so, to allow the student loans to be spent on flight hours before saying... sorry your paperwork doesn't cut the grades, thanks for the $60k.
Is the Govt. going to hurry up and put a brake on this misconduct? Somebody PLEASE shed me some inside light here.
Is the Govt. going to hurry up and put a brake on this misconduct? Somebody PLEASE shed me some inside light here.