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ItnStln 25th Dec 2018 17:54
Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 10344059)
I remember back in 2009, many Air Force Pilots were saying that they would never work for the airlines
That’s no longer true from what I hear.

A Squared 25th Dec 2018 19:44
Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 10344368)

That’s no longer true from what I hear.
You don't say ...

Sailvi767 25th Dec 2018 21:09
They are not having recruiting issues. They are having issues retaining pilots. Getting a pilot slot is still very competitive so why would you lower the standards.

bafanguy 25th Dec 2018 21:32
Originally Posted by Sailvi767 (Post 10344440)
They are not having recruiting issues. They are having issues retaining pilots.
Yep, the retention rate is a problem so they have to recruit and train quite a few. They've said they're increasing the training capacity but aren't where they need to be. The quoted numbers are in some of the Air Force Times articles. I think they said they're up to training 1100/year but need to have 1400/yr...or something like that. If I weren't so lazy, I'd go back through the articles and find the quotes.

Retention and recruiting are two sides of the same coin: proper size of the USAF pilot group.

rigpiggy 26th Dec 2018 06:04
I know it could be contrary tothe service, however moving a guy with a family every 6 months-2 years would be hard on a marriage, and kids. Maybe shorter tdy's, and guaranteed stays in a base would help

Airbubba 26th Dec 2018 21:07
Originally Posted by megan (Post 10344119)
Young lad I know in the Navy just graduated with his wings, high school education, dux of his course, and given the offer to swap to the Air Force with the promise of F-18 if he does as an inducement, but he wants to fly choppers, so staying Navy.
I don't think the U.S. Navy has given anyone without a four-year degree aviator wings for decades now. He was promised F-18's if he would switch to the Air Force? Somehow, I have to wipe my shoes after hearing this one... ;)

zondaracer 26th Dec 2018 21:46
Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10344963)
I don't think the U.S. Navy has given anyone without a four-year degree aviator wings for decades now. He was promised F-18's if he would switch to the Air Force? Somehow, I have to wipe my shoes after hearing this one... ;)
Must have been a foreign military. Looking at Megan’s use of English, and referencing Air Force F-18s, my guess is Australia.

Airbubba 26th Dec 2018 22:07
Originally Posted by zondaracer (Post 10344988)

Must have been a foreign military. Looking at Megan’s use of English, and referencing Air Force F-18s, my guess is Australia.
OK, thanks, that makes more sense. :ok:

megan 26th Dec 2018 22:53
Australia it is.

Airbubba 27th Dec 2018 00:42
Originally Posted by megan (Post 10345012)
Australia it is.
Thanks again, and I was wrong about decades since the USN gave aviator wings without a four-year degree. It appears that a little over a decade ago a few Chief Warrant Officers were designated with two-year degrees in a short-lived program that was terminated when the world economy tanked and retention improved.

megan 27th Dec 2018 00:57
One point of view, USAF is the only US service I've not worked with, so can't comment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/24...ership-crisis/

Counter view.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/04...ilot-shortage/

Sailvi767 27th Dec 2018 03:03
Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10344446)
Yep, the retention rate is a problem so they have to recruit and train quite a few. They've said they're increasing the training capacity but aren't where they need to be. The quoted numbers are in some of the Air Force Times articles. I think they said they're up to training 1100/year but need to have 1400/yr...or something like that. If I weren't so lazy, I'd go back through the articles and find the quotes.

Retention and recruiting are two sides of the same coin: proper size of the USAF pilot group.
The issue is still not recruiting. It’s the constraints of how many pilots the pipeline can produce. They are having zero issues putting pilots into the pipeline. The pipeline needs to be bigger.

Sailvi767 27th Dec 2018 03:07
Originally Posted by megan (Post 10344119)
Not suggesting they be WO's, saying remove the requirement for a degree so they cast a wider net. You don't need a degree to occupy a cockpit, it's jokingly said in airline conversation all you need to know maths wise is your three times table. Young lad I know in the Navy just graduated with his wings, high school education, dux of his course, and given the offer to swap to the Air Force with the promise of F-18 if he does as an inducement, but he wants to fly choppers, so staying Navy. Flown with many a high school educated US Army WO and only one out of the lot I would have torn the wings from, needed to have the fact that Daddy was a Colonel knocked out of him.
Not sure where your story came from but it’s wrong. The Navy is not putting non college graduates in flight school. If he has a degree and just got his wings he would have been in the Helo pipeline and is not qualified for fighters. He would need to go through the entire jet pipeline first. Last point is the AirForce does not have any F-18’s.

zondaracer 27th Dec 2018 04:36
Originally Posted by Sailvi767 (Post 10345062)


Not sure where your story came from but it’s wrong. The Navy is not putting non college graduates in flight school. If he has a degree and just got his wings he would have been in the Helo pipeline and is not qualified for fighters. He would need to go through the entire jet pipeline first. Last point is the AirForce does not have any F-18’s.
He was referring to the Royal Australian Air Force.

bafanguy 27th Dec 2018 07:47
Originally Posted by Sailvi767 (Post 10345059)
The issue is still not recruiting. It’s the constraints of how many pilots the pipeline can produce. They are having zero issues putting pilots into the pipeline. The pipeline needs to be bigger.
Yep...no dispute there. And they're trying to do that:

“Last September, Air Education and Training Command head Lt. Gen. Darryl Roberson said that the Air Force hoped to increase the pilot training pipeline to 1,400 within a few years. But, he warned, even maxing out pilot production capacity at 1,400 wouldn’t be enough, and the Air Force needed to train 1,600 new pilots annually.”

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...vere-shortage/

misd-agin 27th Dec 2018 13:42
Originally Posted by megan (Post 10345012)
Australia it is.
Locations says "N/A" so it must be northern Australia.

mateuszb 28th Dec 2018 19:13
Out of curiosity, is there a current "best" option for someone looking to earn a military pilot slot? (Chance of getting a slot, maximum flying time, etc.)

bafanguy 28th Dec 2018 19:56
Originally Posted by mateuszb (Post 10346143)
Out of curiosity, is there a current "best" option for someone looking to earn a military pilot slot? (Chance of getting a slot, maximum flying time, etc.)
A more US-centric website might get more replies to your good question. Try these guys. Generally civilized:

https://forums.jetcareers.com/forums...ary-pilots.11/

Easy Peasy 29th Dec 2018 12:49
Australia has an Airforce? 😜

zondaracer 29th Dec 2018 13:18
Originally Posted by mateuszb (Post 10346143)
Out of curiosity, is there a current "best" option for someone looking to earn a military pilot slot? (Chance of getting a slot, maximum flying time, etc.)
Air National Guard is probably the best, or else the Air Force Reserve.


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