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rotornut 7th Jul 2017 13:13

US fighters scrambled because of unruly passenger on Cuba flight
 
U.S. fighter jets scrambled after 'unruly' passenger disrupts Montreal-Cuba flight - Montreal - CBC News

EDLB 7th Jul 2017 13:31

Unruly passenger in first class. Must be an interesting story.

a330pilotcanada 7th Jul 2017 13:56

First Class on Sunwing is a definite "contradiction in terms "

ehwatezedoing 7th Jul 2017 14:09

The first class thing is about another incident but involving a Delta flight this time.

From the link above:

This was the second such incident involving a North American flight on Thursday night.

Officials say a Delta Airlines flight bound for Beijing returned to Seattle-Tacoma International Airport after a passenger assaulted a flight attendant.

Airport spokesman Perry Cooper says a man in first class assaulted a flight attendant about 45 minutes into the flight and that passengers then helped restrain the man until the plane landed back in Seattle.
That's my understanding anyway....

oleary 8th Jul 2017 06:27

Six ...
 
.... count'm, SIX fighter planes scrambled for one drunk.

What the hell has happened to our industry?

atakacs 8th Jul 2017 11:20

Well good excuse to build some flying time and spend taxpayer's money we don't have.

noflynomore 8th Jul 2017 11:28

I'm intrigued to know what possible effect one fighter, let alone six, could have over an unruly drunk.
What thought process could ever lead to that deployment?
Perhaps the Air Force will send an outreach councellor when a herd of Bears or Backfires come calling?

Harry Wayfarers 8th Jul 2017 12:04


Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing (Post 9823520)
The first class thing is about another incident but involving a Delta flight this time.

From the link above:

That's my understanding anyway....

She actually 'bottled' him over the head with a wine bottle!

Alas one of the crew was taken to hospital with quite serious facial injuries so not as amusing as it could have been.

rottenray 9th Jul 2017 03:14


Originally Posted by oleary (Post 9824137)
.... count'm, SIX fighter planes scrambled for one drunk.

What the hell has happened to our industry?

You could ask a similar question:

What the hell has happened to fighter pilots?

;)

JumpJumpJump 9th Jul 2017 04:38

Why not scramble six? Practice is practice. When "offered" emergency services on arrival, will never say no, practice is practice.... This :mad: about "what has this career become"....

Flash2001 11th Jul 2017 01:08

It's not just Americans. During the '76 Montreal Olympics Games the CAF had CF104s patrolling overhead!

After an excellent landing etc...

Gauges and Dials 13th Jul 2017 19:50

Things aren't always as they appear...
 

Originally Posted by noflynomore (Post 9824348)
I'm intrigued to know what possible effect one fighter, let alone six, could have over an unruly drunk.
What thought process could ever lead to that deployment?

Long ago, far away, prior to 9/11, a major European carrier trained thusly:
  • Don't assume the crazy belligerent drunk is what he appears to be. He could well be a diversion for someone else trying to rush the cockpit.
  • Do assume there is an accomplice, probably someone who looks like a nondescript business traveler.
  • Don't leave the cockpit. If you do, do not let anybody get between you and the cockpit door.
  • So you think you can deck him? What about Mr. Accomplice? Stay out of physical conflict; you're needed up front.

Which is by way of saying, if it turned out to be a hijack rather than a drunk, then a fighter could have done the unpleasant-but-necessary thing.

But your'e right about six. Two would have been plenty.

OldLurker 15th Jul 2017 17:53


Originally Posted by Gauges and Dials (Post 9829912)
if it turned out to be a hijack rather than a drunk, then a fighter could have done the unpleasant-but-necessary thing.

Has the unpleasant-but-necessary thing ever been done? I know Russians have shot down unhijacked and peaceful Koreans, and Americans have shot down unhijacked and peaceful Iranians, but has a real hijack ever ended with a planeload of passengers being sacrificed by a fighter pilot? Are there really protocols in place that could result in that outcome?

horizon flyer 16th Jul 2017 20:00


Originally Posted by noflynomore (Post 9824348)
I'm intrigued to know what possible effect one fighter, let alone six, could have over an unruly drunk.
What thought process could ever lead to that deployment?
Perhaps the Air Force will send an outreach councellor when a herd of Bears or Backfires come calling?


It is there to shoot down the aircraft if it looks like doing a 9/11 and puts a pair of eyes up close to monitor things.

Nicolaus Silver 17th Jul 2017 02:25

Numbers game
 
Assuming it may be a planned action there may be other flights in on the exercise so may as well send up 6 fighters.

If worse case scenario then 300 v potential of N would see 300 sacked as they are goners already and save N.


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