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Hi all,

This is a complete stab in the dark here, but can anyone provide any info on employment with Hawaiian (shorthaul)? Particularly for aussies.

Thanks in advance 👍

Why would it be anything special for Aussies?

Well, overseas pilots I should say.

Same question applies. Why would Hawaiian be any different than any other US carrier?

Ok, I'll rephrase the question perhaps.....

Can anyone tell me what Hawaiian are like to work for and have/are they hiring overseas pilots?

Cheers!

hahaha they make you hard on this one :E

as far as I know, zero overseas recruitment for majors/legacies. regionals though....do some research and even contact them right away, being australian I think it's doable with an E3 maybe?

Yeah, was a little like a trip to the dentist!

Thanks for the info 👍👍

They hire very few pilots period. It's a small carrier with only 53 airplanes and a little over 600 pilots. Their hiring has historically been to the tune of 40 or so pilots per year, and they've never had a shortage of apps, so the idea that they would go after an Aussie over all those others seems far-fetched. As an aside, a former colleague of mine was unsuccessful at getting in there despite being ethnically Hawaiian, being from Hawai'i, with an O'ahu address, Hawai'i phone number, with excellent flight times and just being a great guy. They never even looked at him.

53 aircraft is a small carrier?.. I certainly don't think so. Having 3 aircraft would qualify as a small carrier.

It's all relative. AA has almost 950, Southwest has over 700 as does United. Even Alaska has about 150 737s. So for a US 121 air carrier, yes, 53 aircraft is a small fleet.

Delta has 850+.

Many regional airlines in the US have 50+ aircraft with SkyWest being the biggest at 380+ airframes.

Your opinion is hereby noted and added to the record.

You'll have about the same chance as a US citizen applying for an Australian airline (or any flying job in Australia)

What now? Or back in 1989! :E

Here...

e3 Work Visa - For Australians Wanting to Work In the USA

What's your background, types flown and hours? Might help

I doubt it. Unless he has a green card, his chances are likely zero.

I considered them back in the 90s. They didn't consider me however.

Not sure if it's still accurate, but they used to show preference to pilots who had ties to the islands. Presumably this to aid in retention.

Now short haul (like 53 aircraft being small) is subjective. To a 777LR guy, what they fly may be short haul, but they do fly some relatively long legs, China, Oz, NZ, mainland US from HNL. The inter island stuff way back when used to be somewhat senior, no clue these days.

Good luck

Maybe that it is a small industry, and a smaller island. One "downer" from inside the HA 'ohana and no chance. Hawaiian has taken on some people I have heard from with no Island connections but sounds rare.

US Airlines won't lift a finger to assist with visa issues but they will not discriminate against foreign pilot in any way either, in fact diversity is looked on favorably. OP if wanting to work in the US needs to get on a path to a Green Card/work authorization, and also 4 year degree or equivalent.

Not entirely accurate, Australians are currently flying in the USA on E3 visas. That being said I can't see a legacy/major supporting an E3 Visa on Regionals like Piedmont and Skywest etc

Please don't mind my archeology, but maybe some kind soul could share a bit about current recruitment process for Hawaiian? I got invited and would like to know what's coming before I choose a date. They only said to expect to spend 6h at the facility.

https://www.aviationinterviews.com/

Here you go. I'll accept a case of cooper's pale as thanks once you get the job.

I live across the planet from Australia, but working for Hawaiian will certainly reduce the distance, thanks man!

The chance of any major/legacy airline in the US hiring a temporary Visa pilot is not 0%...its about negative 1000. No chance unless people stop wanting to go to majors which will never happen. They will literally hire citizen cadets directly to the right seat before they hire an E3. Regionals will probably hire you and give you a job right up to when they furlough/go out of business/don't want you anymore, which a lot of guys have found out the hard way the last 3-4 years it seems.

There has not been a single pilot on a E3 Visa who has been furloughed during Covid who hasn't been able to get their same position and seniority back. Nobody has been dropped with the exception of Expressjet which went out of business.

I would certainly class Spirit, Frontier, Atlas and Kalitta as 'Majors' that are hiring on the E3 at the moment. Kalitta and Atlas 747 FOs can hit $200,000 in their second year while being based in Australia. The earning potential at any of these career destinations surpass any Australian carrier bar perhaps QF mainline.

As for your assertion of they'd rather hire cadets than E3s, apart from the ATP 1500hr requirement making that impossible, that's what people were saying about the above operators just over a year ago.

And to follow on from Havoste's response; a lot of folks are finding their way into green cards, and bouncing very quickly into majors/legacies with the experience they accumulated while on an E3. Take your non-factual nonsense somewhere else.

While you can live in Australia working for Atlas, you won’t be based there. You’ll have to find your own way to the US every month to start your trip and you’ll be on your own leaving the country. Don’t know about limits for Connie's home basing.