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Credible bomb threats on Delta & Southwest flights:
Bomb threats have been reported on two flights recently land at Hartsfield Jackson International Airport.
NORAD fighter jets were deployed to escort Delta flight 1156 and Southwest flight 2492 to the Atlanta, Georgia, airport, the FAA confirmed. The Delta flight came from Portland, the Southwest flight flew in from Milwaukee. Threats: A Delta flight and a Southwest flight reported credible bomb threats as they landed at Hartsfield Jackson International Airport in Atlanta, Georgia, on Saturday afternoon Both flights had landed by 3pm and all passengers were being ushered off as bomb squads prepared to sweep the cabins, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported. FBI officials told WSBTV the passengers on both flights will be interviewed and searched before they are allowed to leave the area. Airport spokesman Reese McCrainie would not say how the threats were received, only that, 'we believe the threats to be credible,' the Journal reported. |
Breaking News: Bomb threats at ATL...traffic slow down
Now bomb threats also for Atlanta Airport along with two flights: Delta & Southwest Airlines
ATLANTA -- There is a bomb threat causing delays at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. Two credible bomb threats were made on Delta flight 1156, which was coming from Portland, Oregon, and Southwest flight 2492, coming in from Milwaukee, according to airport spokesman Reese McCranie. The two planes were escorted to the airport by NORAD jets. Both planes have landed and were evacuated. Bomb squads with canines were sent in to investigate. This story will be updated as more information is provided |
Now even as a brit I saw the two words NORAD jets and that set a warning bell ringing
North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD, /ˈnɔræd/) is a combined organization of the United States and Canada that provides aerospace warning, air sovereignty, and defense for Northern America.[4] |
NORAD is a binational American and Canadian command responsible for air defence in No
@ West Lakes....since Sept 11 NORAD has sent their jets up to intercept all a/c...here is a description of them intercepting Russian Jets just a few months ago:
The aircraft intercepted this week stayed in international air space but were flying in an area called the Air Defence Identification Zone, jointly administered by Canadian and American civil and military air authorities. The zone rings most of North America and aircraft that enter it are required to radio their planned course and destination — those that don’t can be intercepted by military aircraft. “We monitor everything coming into our air space, so we obviously go out there, go investigate, make sure it’s not a threat,” Jazdyk said in an interview. “They’re in international airspace so there is no reason they can’t continue, but we’ll monitor that, make sure there is no threat.” Jazdyk says in the past five years, jets under NORAD’s command have intercepted more than 50 Russian bombers approaching North American airspace. NORAD is a binational American and Canadian command responsible for air defence in North America. |
Breaking News: Bomb threats at ATL...traffic slow down
The aircraft belong to the USAF, RCAF, ANG, USMC, etc though is the point that my esteemed countryman was trying to get across.
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NORAD via Wikipedia
NORAD uses the assets of US 1st Air Force and reserve units in the Alaska region, the Canadian air force in Canada, and reserve units in CONUS (the 48 contiguous States) so the OP may be correct :ok:
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Our esteemed British members seem to be missing the point. NORAD is the power that monitors and controls the safety of North American air space. There is no need to say if they were USAF or GNG, etc. .. just a is not needed to say what their air group or squadron is.
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No bomb? What a surprise.
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No bomb, but certainly a rocket for the guy responsible when the FBI get their mitts on him. That chap, or chapess, is in a world of cack when caught.
World's busiest airport, multiple bomb threats. What's that worth? 20 years? US Federal judges aren't really known for their leniency in those circumstances. More for their "Maximum Bob" approach. |
There have been no cases when a bomb threat has resulted in finding a bomb. If I was flying one of those airplanes I would know that statistically I was guaranteed a safe landing.
Also: What possible use is a fighter to the people on board? All the fighter can do is shoot them down! Guarantee their death! Better to be killed by your own guys? |
some Norad interceptors are part of the air national guard of Massachusetts and Alaska.
NORAD also has a good band, the NORAD commanders. But the media doesn't really have to be right on this. IF it was over the USA (atlanta is still in the USA isn't it?) then it was likely the USAF. I would be surprised if it were not. AS to bomb threats, what could an interceptor do? WELL< if the the plane blew up, it could report such. IF a bomb went off and the plane was still flying , the interceptors could assist in assessing damage and controlability issues. Aid in navigation (follow me), and utilize hand signals instead of radio if the electrical system was damaged. So. They might not shoot it down. Unless the plane became a hazard to the population at large. |
That answers one of two questions I had.
The other is, what qualifies a threat as 'credible'? |
A question to ask is why would someone place a bomb and advise anyone about it before it explodes?
If you are trying to kill people, just place the bomb and let it explode. If you tell people about it beforehand, they may prevent the carnage. If you are trying to create fear, just make the threat, if there is a huge reaction, you have succeeded. |
The other is, what qualifies a threat as 'credible'? There are people who specialise in assessing security threats. You won't hear about most of them because the vast majority are determined to be hoaxes. |
The IRA often used to plant bombs and then give a warning - the disruption was enormous and the bomb gave it credibility
of course they often gave the warning too late or it was unclear and more innocents died |
derfred....good for you!
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Why warn?
Terrorist want attention, want to create chaos, install fear but most of all they want to say “we warned you”. Remember Terrorist leaders are psychopaths and some followers (most not) are psychopaths too. They like to see the FBI, CIA, Police, etc running around. It’s all about power & control for a psychopath (terrorist). 1 in 25 people mainly men are psychopaths this is why the FBI profilers know the traits of a terrorist leader they are all the same traits of a psychopath whether he/she is a wall street trader like Bernie Madoff, or a serial robber or a terrorist.
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When the idiots who like to cause the rest of us problems just for the fun of it see how effective a fake bomb warning can be they will do it again and again just to see the ants running around.
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So in order to gain 'creditability' as a potential terrorist in the eyes of the media, all one have to do is be armed with a bleedin' twitter account!
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Here we go again... :sad:
2 Planes Evacuated in Seattle, 3rd Flight Diverted to Dallas Threats prompt 2 plane evacuations at Seattle-Tacoma airport; third flight diverted to Dallas The Associated Press SEATAC, Wash. Jan 25, 2015, 8:28 PM ET Two planes have been evacuated on arrival at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport due to what a spokesman called a "security concern." Airport spokesman Perry Cooper says a JetBlue flight from Long Beach, California, and a regional SkyWest jet from Phoenix were the planes involved. The flights arrived late Sunday afternoon. Cooper said that out of an abundance of caution, passengers were bused to their gates from the airport's third runway. He said the matter was under investigation and he did not have further details. Additionally, a Delta Air Lines spokesman says a flight from Los Angeles to Orlando was diverted to Dallas Sunday afternoon due to "a security concern." Spokesman Morgan Durrant did not give specifics about the nature of the concern on Flight 1061, saying the company would defer to authorities on providing further details. He says passengers exited the Boeing 737-900, which was being examined by authorities. The airline plans to continue the flight when authorities determine it is safe to do so. The evacuations come a day after bomb threats targeted two jets bound for Atlanta, prompting F-16 fighter jets to escort the planes. Saturday's threats targeted Southwest Airlines Flight 2492, which arrived at Atlanta from Milwaukee; and Delta Air Lines Flight 1156, which arrived from Portland, Oregon. It was unclear if any of threats were connected. |
@ Airbubba
Crazy world.
In Dec TSA announced heightened airport security due to “credible” threat. A week ago it was JFK airport. Yesterday ATL, now Seattle. But it’s starting to look like the same type of manipulation when someone has a computer call 911 and a swat team is sent out to Hollywood celebrities homes. In those cases it turned out to be a teenager messing around. Hope they catch who ever is disrupting the airlines/airports this week quickly. |
There have been no cases when a bomb threat has resulted in finding a bomb. |
There have been no cases when a bomb threat has resulted in finding a bomb. |
Anyone who limits their thinking, that the bomber is who raised the suspicion, is way off track. There are numerous ways for Intel to be credible enough and YES, no one should discuss it on social media, period.
So, what's frustrating are those who exist willing to cause upheaval because they can and those who want to succeed in their threats. We, as a society, need to address whether we uphold security practices that monitor the buzz or if we want gov't transparency. No nation can achieve both and keep people safe. |
'Potential hackers'? This social media stuff continues...
Potential hackers announce threats to airline flights Melanie Eversley, USA TODAY 12:44 a.m. EST January 27, 2015 Several hacker-type accounts on Twitter announced threats to several flights on Monday, leading JetBlue to pull one flight back to the gate due to the safety of passengers, the airline said in a statement. A Twitter account that includes an expletive issued a handful of tweets threatening five flights, including flight 321 that was due to take off from Boston for West Palm Beach, Fla., at 7:35 p.m. The account tweeted to JetBlue at about 7 p.m. ET, "Guys, flight 321 and 334 have explosives on board, and you don't care? It's going to be funny watching them fall out of the sky." JetBlue Airways Corp. spokeswoman Sebastian White issued the following statement: "Flight 321 from Boston to Palm Beach returned to the gate prior to takeoff earlier this evening due to a security situation. While we believe the threat to be non-credible, the safety of our customers is our first priority. We are cooperating with law enforcement officials who determine the appropriate security response." JetBlue flight 334 travels from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to Orlando, Fla., and arrived 15 minutes late but safely on Monday night, according to the Flight Aware website. In all, the Twitter account threatened five flights on Monday evening. The account also sent a tweet to US Airways warning, "US Airways Flight 1721 has a semi-nuclear explosive on board. EVACUATE NOW!" The flight that travels evenings from Philadelphia to New Orleans landed safely Monday night and even arrived 10 minutes early, Matt Miller, spokesman for US Airways parent company American Airlines, said by telephone. Tuesday night's flight has been cancelled because flights out of Philadelphia International Airport are suspended due to blizzard conditions, Miller said. The airline's social media team passes on details of all threatening tweets to law enforcement, Miller said. Earlier Monday, about a half dozen hacker-type accounts, one claiming to represent the ISIS "Penguins," tweeted threats against several commercial flights, including Southwest flight 4200 from San Diego to Dallas, according to WFAA in Dallas. The plane landed without incident, the news organization reported. |
Derfred is right. Those in the know will not discuss in public what is or what is not credible. And those not in the know would do better not to speculate too much on PPRune.
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truth
Having been a part of a crew where we had a specific threat, de-pressurised the aircraft and after return to terra firma waited 1/2 hour until they could find someone brave enough to position stairs to disembark I would disagree with some of the need to know.
We had at least two credible devices (I never knew the truth of the above incident)... We were volunteered to fly the route...of course never flew with management... still we were never told the truth (except by a bomb disposal officer) and the only known file is frozen for 40 years... Fast forward to my last company where we carried armed guards and had full and truthful access to security files.. Maybe we should take a leaf out our books and follow Argentina WRT the security services... Who knows the truth... But I would rather make my own assessment of the risks than be fed all of the security rubbish... From a man whose wife was attacked three times last year and who had three armed robberies within 30 yards of his home... (peaceful europe) |
Still more 'social media' threats:
Twitter Terror: More Online Threats Against Flights By Andrew Blankstein For the fourth day in a row, an online threat was made against an aircraft, authorities said. The Federal Bureau of Investigation said a flight from Los Angeles International Airport to O'Hare International Airport in Chicago received an online threat early Tuesday afternoon. Like threats made earlier this week, the threat pertained to a "bomb" being on board. The FBI did not immediately identify the flight. Passengers and luggage were screened upon arrival in Chicago and no bomb was found. More Twitter threats against other flights were made later Tuesday, with a user tweeting to Delta Air Lines, Southwest Airlines, and American Airlines saying that a bomb was aboard planes. No flight disruptions had been announced. The user's account was quickly suspended. Two of the flights mentioned by that user landed safely as scheduled shortly after the threats were posted, others were en route, two had already landed hours earlier and another had not yet departed San Francisco. On Saturday, two planes were escorted by fighter jets to Atlanta's airport after bomb threats were made via Twitter. A day later, a Delta Air Lines jet from Los Angeles to Orlando was diverted to Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport after a threat was made on Twitter. On Monday, several bomb threats targeting Southwestern flights popped up on Twitter, but no flight disruptions were announced, NBC San Diego reported. Another bomb threat was made against a Southwest plane in San Diego Tuesday morning, but no passengers were aboard and police later cleared the aircraft. It wasn't clear how that threat was made. FBI officials have expressed concern regarding the increase in online threats that now number more than a dozen overall. "All threats are taken seriously and will be investigated," The FBI said in a statement. |
i was co-pilot on a flight that returned to the gate in ATL a LONG time ago because of a threat of a bomb on board, and, as it happened, the chief pilot of the airline, (a regional carrier that morphed into a large international carrier way down the long road) happened to be on the jump seat.
we pulled up to the gate, let the passengers off, and the capt. and the chief pilot (whose name WAS Bubba as a matter of fact) then decided to have what seemed to me an extended conversation. Since I was trapped in the co-pilots seat, I had to make at the specific point that I wanted out in order to get out; it was a M 404 and the chief pilot was sitting in the seat that blocked my exit. I think I was diplomatic about it, but over the years I told and re told the story, and got what I thought was a lot of laughs at the Captains and Bubba's expense. It WAS, after all, a bomb threat. Anyways, after reading the cavalier dismissal by so many here, I now understand why Bubba and Captain, both of whom I liked and respected, were so nonchalant about the "bomb threat". They must have subscribed to the theory that an advertised bomb threat wasn't much of a "threat" after all. I subscribed to the theory that I wanted off the old bag of bolts asap. Oh, and btw, before you experts get all huffy about procedures, and the facts of this story as I relate it, keep in mind: you weren't there. I was. |
Anyways, after reading the cavalier dismissal by so many here, I now understand why Bubba and Captain, both of whom I liked and respected, were so nonchalant about the "bomb threat". They must have subscribed to the theory that an advertised bomb threat wasn't much of a "threat" after all. |
I've had several cases of hand-luggage being left aboard, and I'm amazed how "security" just blithely take it from the rack. In one case I was told that if I wanted the bomb-squad called, it would meant the evacuation of the finger. "Fine, do that". The next thing I knew was a young man came along and, after I'd got the crew well out of the vicinity of the aircraft, happily took the bag down and opened it!!! Luckily, it was nothing, but the fact that it contained three passports should have set alarms ringing.
I've also offloaded passengers who think it's funny to tell the cabin crew that there is a bomb in their hold luggage. Off, escorted by a couple of hefty policemen. |
Can the FBI really make an arrest in the UK? :confused:
FBI arrests suspect in bomb threats that targeted Atlanta flights by: Mark Winne Updated: Apr 20, 2017 - 9:40 PM Channel 2's Mark Winne was the first to learn that the FBI has arrested a person suspected of tweeting bomb threats that targeted Atlanta flights. The FBI said the suspect was arrested in the United Kingdom. Fighter jets escorted two planes to Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport in January 2015, where they were met by a bomb squad and federal agents. The FBI released a statement Thursday saying: "The January, 2015 threats resulted in the deployment of significant resources including the use of military jets to escort the planes to Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport and searches by a police bomb squad and the FBI that found nothing threatening." Delta Flight 1156 was coming to Atlanta from Portland, Oregon. Southwest Flight 2492 was heading to Atlanta from Milwaukee. Both landed safely at the airport. FBI special agent Steve Emmett told Winne Thursday that even before the planes had been escorted from the runway at Hartsfield-Jackson, the FBI’s joint terrorism task force had already launched an investigation into the incidents over who sent the tweets that caused the threats. “The message certainly is that these individuals are not beyond the reach of law enforcement,” Emmett told Winne. Winne learned Thursday that a FBI agent from Atlanta was at the scene when authorities nabbed the suspect. “A lot of the work that brought us to the arrest of this individual was conducted right here in Atlanta field office and shared with the British,” Emmett said. Emmett said the investigation focused on the real identity behind the person with the Twitter handle King Zortic that suggested the flights carried hidden bombs. “We have cyber experts that are trained to unmask those that want to remain masked,” Emmett said. The investigation revealed there were no bombs on board either of the flights. Emmett told Winne the incidents changed how at least one airline deals with social media threats. “This is a wake-up call to not only law enforcement but to airlines. This has been a teaching moment for many folks as we deal with threats in the era of social media,” Emmett said. “These threats are going to be a constant concern for law enforcement to deal with. It's not going away. Social media-based threats are out there and we need to learn how to deal with them.” |
Winne learned Thursday that a FBI agent from Atlanta was at the scene when authorities nabbed the suspect |
BG47 , or a real estate entrepreneur wanting to become president???.
Seriouslyt hough it has always been easy to cause this sort of chaos and in fact in one way mobile phones (which can be tracked) have lead to the demise of payphones. Call an airport from a payphone round the corner of the other side of the country (or even in an other country) and keep the call short it will be traceable but you could be long gone . In a lifetime in telecoms was involved a few times in urgent traces of calls about bomb threats and you are 100% right -a lot of people get involved really quickly - and the idea that its alla wild goose chase appeals to some nutters ( english for psycopath) |
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