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Am an A320 FO in Australia with dual Australian/American citizenship.
Does anyone have any recommendations for schools to do the now required ATP course at? And are there any that, provided you meet the hour requirements, can administer the ATP check ride/flight test at the end also? The course seems a bit silly all in all, but I can't convert my Ozzie ATPL over apparently so..
Do AA/DL/UA look favourably upon candidates who are applying entirely externally/not from a US regional/not having flown in the USA yet? One of those three or one of the big freighters would ideally be what I want to move over for. Before you ask, yes I have lived there before and have lots of family there also as you can imagine.
Many thanks!
Does anyone have any recommendations for schools to do the now required ATP course at? And are there any that, provided you meet the hour requirements, can administer the ATP check ride/flight test at the end also? The course seems a bit silly all in all, but I can't convert my Ozzie ATPL over apparently so..
Do AA/DL/UA look favourably upon candidates who are applying entirely externally/not from a US regional/not having flown in the USA yet? One of those three or one of the big freighters would ideally be what I want to move over for. Before you ask, yes I have lived there before and have lots of family there also as you can imagine.
Many thanks!
The ATP Certificate Training Program must be completed before you can take the ATM written test which is the written for a multi-engine ATP. It does almost nothing to prepare students for the written test. You will have to do some studying on your own for the written. The CTP is designed to fill the "knowledge gap" between single engine CFIs and regional jet F/Os. But the FAA says everyone must complete the course. I've felt bad for Air Force test pilots having to sit through 8 hours of aerodynamics. Many of the CTP providers (ATP, CAE, Pan Am, etc.) are Part 142 schools and can conduct the checkride for an A320 type rating. However for the type rating you would have to complete aircraft GS and flight training before the checkride. The CTP and the ATP checkride are separate events. Or you could complete the CTP, pass the written, get a medical, thrash around a few hours in a light twin and get the ATP ME without a type.
Not plugged into the hiring side but as I understand it the Big 3 are committed to their flow programs and so street hires are done when there are not enough flow candidates. Most major airline hires the last few years have been through the flow programs. Brown and Purple don't have as many flow pilots so most of their hiring is off the street.
Not plugged into the hiring side but as I understand it the Big 3 are committed to their flow programs and so street hires are done when there are not enough flow candidates. Most major airline hires the last few years have been through the flow programs. Brown and Purple don't have as many flow pilots so most of their hiring is off the street.
If you're just looking for an ATP-CTP course and doing it from your own pocket, Delta has one in KATL. I have no idea what it's like...and even less idea why an outfit like Delta would bother with stuff like this (I have a theory):
https://news.delta.com/new-pilot-cer...-through-delta
https://atpctp.delta.com/content/atp...n_US/datc.html
Sounds like you'd be career-destination airline bait here. When you get your FAA ATP, start firing off the applications to EVERY airline you'd consider working for.
If you could stand the financial slap in the face, you could go to one of the US regionals taking your fellow Aussies and let them get you the FAA ticket at no cost to you. You wouldn't have to bother with the E3 visa...and neither would the regional. No loyalty to the regional is expected. It's a new world here these days.
https://news.delta.com/new-pilot-cer...-through-delta
https://atpctp.delta.com/content/atp...n_US/datc.html
Sounds like you'd be career-destination airline bait here. When you get your FAA ATP, start firing off the applications to EVERY airline you'd consider working for.
If you could stand the financial slap in the face, you could go to one of the US regionals taking your fellow Aussies and let them get you the FAA ticket at no cost to you. You wouldn't have to bother with the E3 visa...and neither would the regional. No loyalty to the regional is expected. It's a new world here these days.
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With a paper exercise, you can get the type rating added to a 61.75 certificate valid for VFR only. You probably don’t really need the type rating added to your FAA certificate. You can take a checkride in a Seminole or Duchess, but if you feel most comfortable in the A320, you’ll have to do a course and full checkride. For what it’s worth, a friend of mine did his ATP checkride in the A320 simulator at the United facility but didn’t pay extra to have the type rating added.
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I've heard of 142 schools getting in trouble for using a sim that requires a type to just do an ATP ride without issuing the type. The thought was the candidate is the PIC during a checkride. To be PIC of an aircraft that requires a type rating you need the type rating so they couldn't just do the ATP ride.
If you have a Canadian license you just need the ATP CTP course and a 60 question test. If you hold any other country's license you will have to complete the CTP, pass the regular ATM written and then complete a course of ground and flight training before the checkride.
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If you have a Canadian license you just need the ATP CTP course and a 60 question test. If you hold any other country's license you will have to complete the CTP, pass the regular ATM written and then complete a course of ground and flight training before the checkride.
I have FAA license, but my ratings are on my ICAO. Done all checks & tests with ICAO DEs. Just to get them listed on my FAA a full course seems a bit excessive. But if thatś how it rolls 
Depending on the training center they may have a short course for pilots with time on the aircraft or for Captain upgrade. You shouldn't need an initial course. But the course will have to be on the TC's list of approved (by the FAA) courses.
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Thanks for all the replies! For what it’s worth, I don’t really need the 320 type rating added to my licence, as I assume should I get into one of the big boys they’d type me anyway. Happy to be corrected on that though!
Unfortunately not, too big a slap in the face for us with current commitments which is a shame.. had it been 5 odd years ago or so it would have worked perfectly!
Care to elaborate on the Delta KATL ATP CTP course theory you have??
You don’t happen to know if Canada has an easier ATPL transfer process from Australia do you? Theoretically could transfer my ATPL to Canada, do the CTP and 60 question test and get an FAA one.. bit sneaky.
Referring to the “ground and flight training before the check ride” for non Canadian licence holders i.e. me.. are you referring to doing a type rating or is this a separate course required before doing an ATP check ride?
Which United facility was this if you don’t mind saying? Might get in contact. Just seems insane to do a full type rating of a plane I’ve been on 5+ years.. might be easy though at least hah.
Thanks again!
Care to elaborate on the Delta KATL ATP CTP course theory you have??
If you have a Canadian license you just need the ATP CTP course and a 60 question test. If you hold any other country's license you will have to complete the CTP, pass the regular ATM written and then complete a course of ground and flight training before the checkride.
Referring to the “ground and flight training before the check ride” for non Canadian licence holders i.e. me.. are you referring to doing a type rating or is this a separate course required before doing an ATP check ride?
Thanks again!
You don’t happen to know if Canada has an easier ATPL transfer process from Australia do you? Theoretically could transfer my ATPL to Canada, do the CTP and 60 question test and get an FAA one.. bit sneaky.
Referring to the “ground and flight training before the check ride” for non Canadian licence holders i.e. me.. are you referring to doing a type rating or is this a separate course required before doing an ATP check ride?
Referring to the “ground and flight training before the check ride” for non Canadian licence holders i.e. me.. are you referring to doing a type rating or is this a separate course required before doing an ATP check ride?
2. For a type rating at the ATP level there has to be a record of aircraft ground school and aircraft flight training. You can't just show up at the aircraft or sim and do the checkride. In addition for a ME ATP you have to complete the 30 hour ATP CTP course. So both.
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1. They thought of that already. Part of the Implementation Procedures for Licensing agreement between the FAA and Transport Canada says the license to be converted has to be an original issue from the other country and not based on a third country's license.
2. For a type rating at the ATP level there has to be a record of aircraft ground school and aircraft flight training. You can't just show up at the aircraft or sim and do the checkride. In addition for a ME ATP you have to complete the 30 hour ATP CTP course. So both.
2. For a type rating at the ATP level there has to be a record of aircraft ground school and aircraft flight training. You can't just show up at the aircraft or sim and do the checkride. In addition for a ME ATP you have to complete the 30 hour ATP CTP course. So both.
Sorry for all the questions. Wouldn’t my training and time on type in Oz constitute a lot of the aircraft flight training you mention? Might have to look at an abbreviated type rating in the States if I do in fact need one to do the ATP flight test.. I guess at least I could fold the ATP test into the type rating check I imagine.
Cheers.
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Wouldn’t my training and time on type in Oz constitute a lot of the aircraft flight training you mention? Might have to look at an abbreviated type rating in the States if I do in fact need one to do the ATP flight test.. I guess at least I could fold the ATP test into the type rating check I imagine.
Cheers.
Wouldn’t my training and time on type in Oz constitute a lot of the aircraft flight training you mention? Might have to look at an abbreviated type rating in the States if I do in fact need one to do the ATP flight test.. I guess at least I could fold the ATP test into the type rating check I imagine.
Cheers.
This is new bit of scuttlebutt re attendees of DL's ATP-CTP course. First I've heard the term, Silver Bullet, so I don't know if it's a formal thing.
If it just gets your app pulled and scored for competitiveness, a rec email from a DL employee to pilot employment will do the same thing without the uncertainty. They formally state that such an email WILL get your app pulled and scored within 30 days. No promise of results, of course.
Seems this guy says it's a thing.:
From post #9956
Current/Former Delta folks:
"Looking for a little professional guidance/advice in regards to applying. I'm sitting at 1700TT and only 360PIC, all of which is turbine, and mostly multiengine. After doing the Delta ATP-CTP, I have a "silver bullet" that will get my app pulled/scored very quickly compared to the normal process or even the internal recommendation."
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-news-996.html
If it just gets your app pulled and scored for competitiveness, a rec email from a DL employee to pilot employment will do the same thing without the uncertainty. They formally state that such an email WILL get your app pulled and scored within 30 days. No promise of results, of course.
Seems this guy says it's a thing.:
From post #9956
Current/Former Delta folks:
"Looking for a little professional guidance/advice in regards to applying. I'm sitting at 1700TT and only 360PIC, all of which is turbine, and mostly multiengine. After doing the Delta ATP-CTP, I have a "silver bullet" that will get my app pulled/scored very quickly compared to the normal process or even the internal recommendation."
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-news-996.html
Some further speculation about DL's ATP-CTP course and its effect on one's appeal to the HR crowd. IF this is true, coughing up $5K changes the landscape a bit:
"Apparently when folks arrive to the course they’re told that completing the Delta or Delta affiliated ATP-CTP course (through MIL2ATP IIRC) that their apps will be pulled for scoring shortly upon their request as a “perk” of using the program, but usually within 2 weeks.
A normal Line pilot LOR takes upto 3 months to pull an app for scoring apparently."
"Apparently when folks arrive to the course they’re told that completing the Delta or Delta affiliated ATP-CTP course (through MIL2ATP IIRC) that their apps will be pulled for scoring shortly upon their request as a “perk” of using the program, but usually within 2 weeks.
A normal Line pilot LOR takes upto 3 months to pull an app for scoring apparently."
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Yeah, this whole "ICAO License" Is a strange phenomenon.
" I have an ICAO license"
No you don't, ICAO doesn't issue pilots licenses.
"No, what I mean is my pilot's license is issued by a signatory to ICAO "
Right, you and every other pilot on the planet. You'd be hard pressed to find a country issuing pilots licenses that *isn't* an ICAO signatory.
" I have an ICAO license"
No you don't, ICAO doesn't issue pilots licenses.
"No, what I mean is my pilot's license is issued by a signatory to ICAO "
Right, you and every other pilot on the planet. You'd be hard pressed to find a country issuing pilots licenses that *isn't* an ICAO signatory.