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Old 25th Dec 2018, 17:54
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Originally Posted by zondaracer View Post
I remember back in 2009, many Air Force Pilots were saying that they would never work for the airlines
Thatís no longer true from what I hear.
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 19:44
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Originally Posted by ItnStln View Post

Thatís no longer true from what I hear.
You don't say ...
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 21:09
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They are not having recruiting issues. They are having issues retaining pilots. Getting a pilot slot is still very competitive so why would you lower the standards.
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Old 25th Dec 2018, 21:32
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They are not having recruiting issues. They are having issues retaining pilots.
Yep, the retention rate is a problem so they have to recruit and train quite a few. They've said they're increasing the training capacity but aren't where they need to be. The quoted numbers are in some of the Air Force Times articles. I think they said they're up to training 1100/year but need to have 1400/yr...or something like that. If I weren't so lazy, I'd go back through the articles and find the quotes.

Retention and recruiting are two sides of the same coin: proper size of the USAF pilot group.
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 06:04
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I know it could be contrary tothe service, however moving a guy with a family every 6 months-2 years would be hard on a marriage, and kids. Maybe shorter tdy's, and guaranteed stays in a base would help
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 21:07
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Young lad I know in the Navy just graduated with his wings, high school education, dux of his course, and given the offer to swap to the Air Force with the promise of F-18 if he does as an inducement, but he wants to fly choppers, so staying Navy.
I don't think the U.S. Navy has given anyone without a four-year degree aviator wings for decades now. He was promised F-18's if he would switch to the Air Force? Somehow, I have to wipe my shoes after hearing this one...
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 21:46
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I don't think the U.S. Navy has given anyone without a four-year degree aviator wings for decades now. He was promised F-18's if he would switch to the Air Force? Somehow, I have to wipe my shoes after hearing this one...
Must have been a foreign military. Looking at Meganís use of English, and referencing Air Force F-18s, my guess is Australia.
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 22:07
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Originally Posted by zondaracer View Post

Must have been a foreign military. Looking at Meganís use of English, and referencing Air Force F-18s, my guess is Australia.
OK, thanks, that makes more sense.
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Old 26th Dec 2018, 22:53
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Australia it is.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 00:42
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Australia it is.
Thanks again, and I was wrong about decades since the USN gave aviator wings without a four-year degree. It appears that a little over a decade ago a few Chief Warrant Officers were designated with two-year degrees in a short-lived program that was terminated when the world economy tanked and retention improved.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 00:57
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One point of view, USAF is the only US service I've not worked with, so can't comment.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/24...ership-crisis/

Counter view.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/04...ilot-shortage/
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 03:03
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
Yep, the retention rate is a problem so they have to recruit and train quite a few. They've said they're increasing the training capacity but aren't where they need to be. The quoted numbers are in some of the Air Force Times articles. I think they said they're up to training 1100/year but need to have 1400/yr...or something like that. If I weren't so lazy, I'd go back through the articles and find the quotes.

Retention and recruiting are two sides of the same coin: proper size of the USAF pilot group.
The issue is still not recruiting. Itís the constraints of how many pilots the pipeline can produce. They are having zero issues putting pilots into the pipeline. The pipeline needs to be bigger.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 03:07
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
Not suggesting they be WO's, saying remove the requirement for a degree so they cast a wider net. You don't need a degree to occupy a cockpit, it's jokingly said in airline conversation all you need to know maths wise is your three times table. Young lad I know in the Navy just graduated with his wings, high school education, dux of his course, and given the offer to swap to the Air Force with the promise of F-18 if he does as an inducement, but he wants to fly choppers, so staying Navy. Flown with many a high school educated US Army WO and only one out of the lot I would have torn the wings from, needed to have the fact that Daddy was a Colonel knocked out of him.
Not sure where your story came from but itís wrong. The Navy is not putting non college graduates in flight school. If he has a degree and just got his wings he would have been in the Helo pipeline and is not qualified for fighters. He would need to go through the entire jet pipeline first. Last point is the AirForce does not have any F-18ís.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 04:36
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post


Not sure where your story came from but itís wrong. The Navy is not putting non college graduates in flight school. If he has a degree and just got his wings he would have been in the Helo pipeline and is not qualified for fighters. He would need to go through the entire jet pipeline first. Last point is the AirForce does not have any F-18ís.
He was referring to the Royal Australian Air Force.
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 07:47
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767 View Post
The issue is still not recruiting. Itís the constraints of how many pilots the pipeline can produce. They are having zero issues putting pilots into the pipeline. The pipeline needs to be bigger.
Yep...no dispute there. And they're trying to do that:

ďLast September, Air Education and Training Command head Lt. Gen. Darryl Roberson said that the Air Force hoped to increase the pilot training pipeline to 1,400 within a few years. But, he warned, even maxing out pilot production capacity at 1,400 wouldnít be enough, and the Air Force needed to train 1,600 new pilots annually

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...vere-shortage/
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Old 27th Dec 2018, 13:42
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
Australia it is.
Locations says "N/A" so it must be northern Australia.
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 19:13
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Out of curiosity, is there a current "best" option for someone looking to earn a military pilot slot? (Chance of getting a slot, maximum flying time, etc.)
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Old 28th Dec 2018, 19:56
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Out of curiosity, is there a current "best" option for someone looking to earn a military pilot slot? (Chance of getting a slot, maximum flying time, etc.)
A more US-centric website might get more replies to your good question. Try these guys. Generally civilized:

https://forums.jetcareers.com/forums...ary-pilots.11/
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 12:49
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Australia has an Airforce? 😜
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 13:18
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Originally Posted by mateuszb View Post
Out of curiosity, is there a current "best" option for someone looking to earn a military pilot slot? (Chance of getting a slot, maximum flying time, etc.)
Air National Guard is probably the best, or else the Air Force Reserve.
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