Another US Start-Up Airline ?
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It appears the reincarnation of Midwest Express is making some noise:
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...tional-airport
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news...tional-airport
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Any day now !! The excitement builds :
Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!!
https://newsroom.aviator.aero/airbah...nned-for-2019/
Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!!
https://newsroom.aviator.aero/airbah...nned-for-2019/
https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fix...a/jobID_539617
https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fixed+Wing/First+Officer/Irvine-California/jobID_539621
One airplane ?:
http://pkaviation.com/2018/12/20/air...a-new-airline/
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Here's another one. Hasn't this business model been tried before ?:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...launch-in-2h19
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...launch-in-2h19
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Sky Palace Airways ? Even Google didn't offer much info on this one. Has it died on the vine ? Did it exist previously under a different name...Sky King perhaps ?
https://opencorporates.com/companies...2018-000827931
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...narrowbody-ops
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-a-gray-47a70838
https://www.jsfirm.com/Sky+Palace/18026/companyprofile
https://opencorporates.com/companies...2018-000827931
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...narrowbody-ops
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-a-gray-47a70838
https://www.jsfirm.com/Sky+Palace/18026/companyprofile
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Disney Airlines ? Really ? What "smaller regional airlines" ?
"The Disney Company will acquire smaller regional airlines to focus it’s operations on offering flights out of Orlando to and from major airport hubs including Detroit, Chicago, LaGuardia, and LAX."
https://justdisney.co/disney-launchi...sney-airlines/
"The Disney Company will acquire smaller regional airlines to focus it’s operations on offering flights out of Orlando to and from major airport hubs including Detroit, Chicago, LaGuardia, and LAX."
https://justdisney.co/disney-launchi...sney-airlines/
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That's for sure. And Sun Country is privately owned so that might simplify a purchase:
"Sun Country Airlines is a privately held company based in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul, has more than 35 years of experience..."
https://www.suncountry.com/about
"Sun Country Airlines is a privately held company based in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis/St. Paul, has more than 35 years of experience..."
https://www.suncountry.com/about
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Well, this is interesting. The 2nd link mentions that it'll be 30 airplanes in a combination of scheduled and charter ops:
"David Neeleman has started the process of setting up another airline in the US in addition to the planned Airbus A220 operator Moxy. Neeleman is in the process of securing another air operator’s certificate (AOC) for the carrier that will operate a fleet of Embraer E1 E195s."
https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman-establish-another-us-airline-used-e195s?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Fee d%3A+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29
https://theaircurrent.com/airlines/n...g-azul-e-jets/
"David Neeleman has started the process of setting up another airline in the US in addition to the planned Airbus A220 operator Moxy. Neeleman is in the process of securing another air operator’s certificate (AOC) for the carrier that will operate a fleet of Embraer E1 E195s."
https://atwonline.com/airlines/neeleman-establish-another-us-airline-used-e195s?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Fee d%3A+AtwDailyNews+%28ATW+Daily+News%29
https://theaircurrent.com/airlines/n...g-azul-e-jets/
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A little more info:
"Plans call for the E2s to eventually replace all the E1s, as many as 30 of which Neeleman said he planned to start sending to the U.S. to launch a new low-fare airline next year. The new carrier would operate on a certificate separate from the AOC that Neeleman has secured for an Airbus A220 operation scheduled to launch in 2021 in the U.S., loosely known as Moxy."
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...2-brazils-azul
"Plans call for the E2s to eventually replace all the E1s, as many as 30 of which Neeleman said he planned to start sending to the U.S. to launch a new low-fare airline next year. The new carrier would operate on a certificate separate from the AOC that Neeleman has secured for an Airbus A220 operation scheduled to launch in 2021 in the U.S., loosely known as Moxy."
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...2-brazils-azul
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This is the first mention I've seen of Moxy and pilot supply other than a previous vague statement that it'd be "innovative". What they describe below is hardly innovative:
“One of our challenges there is an acute pilot shortage in the U.S.,” says Trey Urbahn, who’s involved with Moxy and also works closely with Neeleman at TAP as the Portuguese carrier’s chief strategy officer. He notes that new rules adopted by the Department of Transportation following the Colgan Air crash in Buffalo in 2009 require that all commercial pilots in the cockpit have a minimum 1,500 hours of flying time; previously, a co-pilot could begin with as little 250 hours. “The result is that there are fewer people entering the profession,” he says. “With an increasingly small pool, we need to have competitive pilot salaries to attract them from regionals,” where pilots typically begin their careers. Moxy is “looking at creative ways to create our own pilot pool,” Urbahn says, such as establishing an in-house training program. “You have to get people really early in their careers, when they first decide they want to be a pilot.”
https://www.cntraveler.com/story/all...mestic-airline
“One of our challenges there is an acute pilot shortage in the U.S.,” says Trey Urbahn, who’s involved with Moxy and also works closely with Neeleman at TAP as the Portuguese carrier’s chief strategy officer. He notes that new rules adopted by the Department of Transportation following the Colgan Air crash in Buffalo in 2009 require that all commercial pilots in the cockpit have a minimum 1,500 hours of flying time; previously, a co-pilot could begin with as little 250 hours. “The result is that there are fewer people entering the profession,” he says. “With an increasingly small pool, we need to have competitive pilot salaries to attract them from regionals,” where pilots typically begin their careers. Moxy is “looking at creative ways to create our own pilot pool,” Urbahn says, such as establishing an in-house training program. “You have to get people really early in their careers, when they first decide they want to be a pilot.”
https://www.cntraveler.com/story/all...mestic-airline
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Update: The reincarnation of Midwest Express
The reincarnation of Midwest Express has published a news release: "Midwest Express today revealed the Elite Airways aircraft, complete with exterior Midwest Express branding, that will service initial flight destinations to Cincinnati, OH (CVG), Omaha, NE (OMA), and Grand Rapids, MI (GRR). The plane was on display at a news briefing at Milwaukee Mitchell International Airport where travelers were treated to the legendary Midwest Express chocolate chip cookie that will be baked onboard all Midwest Express-marketed flights."
I worked for RAH during their 'too big for their shoes' acquisition of Frontier and Midwest Express, and it was distressing to see their passenger-centered company culture chipped away one chocolate chip at a time until they were literally none left. At the time, in his internal company letters, Bryan Bedford blamed his inability to turn around Midwest on the fierceness of Southwest Airline's competition at MKE (aka, Southwest was cross-subsidizing profitable hubs to lose money on $50 fares out of MKE).
In more capable hands, will there be much of a difference in the end result? I can't imagine they have a revolutionary new business plan to beat SWA...
I worked for RAH during their 'too big for their shoes' acquisition of Frontier and Midwest Express, and it was distressing to see their passenger-centered company culture chipped away one chocolate chip at a time until they were literally none left. At the time, in his internal company letters, Bryan Bedford blamed his inability to turn around Midwest on the fierceness of Southwest Airline's competition at MKE (aka, Southwest was cross-subsidizing profitable hubs to lose money on $50 fares out of MKE).
In more capable hands, will there be much of a difference in the end result? I can't imagine they have a revolutionary new business plan to beat SWA...
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This below is a post by a guy on APC who actually had a chat with Neeleman about the pilot side of Moxy. Not clear how it would actually work but it's a bit of info:
"A few weeks ago I got the opportunity to speak with David Neeleman in the PHX airport as we both were waiting for delayed inbound aircraft. He was great to talk with, and surprisingly open. I'll run through some highlights he was willing to share to an OAL pilot who just happened to recognize him.
* pay will be regional +20% + profit sharing
* using 195's to launch next summer ish 50% scheduled/50% charter
*possibly home basing to begin with 14/14 schedules
* a lot of seasonal routes with the A220, as the flexibility of the aircraft was the major selling point (ability to swap class configurations quickly)
* all of the reservations will be done through a virtual office
*the only thing he would say about a possible crew base was he had a an idea of a really amazing place he thought crews would love (not SLC, I asked as he mentioned some portions of the company being based there)
I'm not sure how much if any of this is new info to those of you interested, but figured I'd share."
"A few weeks ago I got the opportunity to speak with David Neeleman in the PHX airport as we both were waiting for delayed inbound aircraft. He was great to talk with, and surprisingly open. I'll run through some highlights he was willing to share to an OAL pilot who just happened to recognize him.
* pay will be regional +20% + profit sharing
* using 195's to launch next summer ish 50% scheduled/50% charter
*possibly home basing to begin with 14/14 schedules
* a lot of seasonal routes with the A220, as the flexibility of the aircraft was the major selling point (ability to swap class configurations quickly)
* all of the reservations will be done through a virtual office
*the only thing he would say about a possible crew base was he had a an idea of a really amazing place he thought crews would love (not SLC, I asked as he mentioned some portions of the company being based there)
I'm not sure how much if any of this is new info to those of you interested, but figured I'd share."