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Old 24th Oct 2019, 22:43
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Originally Posted by havick View Post
Regional wages + 20%, ooooffff thats going to be tough to get guys in the current market.
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Yes, that bit of information creates more questions than it answers. A 14/14 schedule ? That's tough sledding even with home basing. Maybe it's ok for a B747 cargo outfit but for a fledgling start up ? I dunno. I'll just predict he gets all the pilots he needs regardless.

Fun to watch in any event.

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Old 25th Oct 2019, 01:08
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
havick,

Yes, that bit of information creates more questions than it answers. A 14/14 schedule ? That's tough sledding even with home basing. Maybe it's ok for a B747 cargo outfit but for a fledgling start up ? I dunno. I'll just predict he gets all the pilots he needs regardless.

Fun to watch in any event.
he will get takers for sure.

I just wonder whether his budget allows for the massive training bill he is going to have due to turnover.

I think heís serious out misjudging the pilot market and is out of touch thinking itís the same as when he kicked off JetBlue.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 10:24
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Originally Posted by havick View Post


he will get takers for sure.

I just wonder whether his budget allows for the massive training bill he is going to have due to turnover.

I think heís serious out misjudging the pilot market and is out of touch thinking itís the same as when he kicked off JetBlue.
havick,

Yep, lots of issues to be resolved. So far, I haven't seen anything about their pilot recruiting that's "innovative" as promised early on in the emergence of Moxy as a concept. Perhaps I've missed something ?

"...regional+ 20%..." ? What does that mean ? I suppose you could look at JB's 1st year pay rates on the E190 for a comparison but I don't see a start up paying even those rates.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 08:47
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Originally Posted by bafanguy View Post
havick,

Yep, lots of issues to be resolved. So far, I haven't seen anything about their pilot recruiting that's "innovative" as promised early on in the emergence of Moxy as a concept. Perhaps I've missed something ?

"...regional+ 20%..." ? What does that mean ? I suppose you could look at JB's 1st year pay rates on the E190 for a comparison but I don't see a start up paying even those rates.
If you take it literally then it would be expressjet/skywest/compass/Envoy rates + 20%. So basically junk rates. I guess see how it actually pans out.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 16:23
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So what type of pilot leaves their stable current regional job or corp job to go to a start up for a 20% pay rise? It appears this factor is not costed into the pay rate.

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Old 26th Oct 2019, 17:33
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So what type of pilot leaves thier stable current regional job or corp job to go to a start up for a 20% pay rise?
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Hard to say for sure. They'd have to be willing to roll the dice on it becoming something bigger and better down the road. Risk/reward and all that.

Time will tell who shows up...probably more willing people than one would imagine based on Neeleman's track record. The younger and more footloose a person is the more risk he can take because he'd have time to recover from a failure of the experiment.

The critical group will be the captains as their experience will be needed from the start.

The recruiting ads will be interesting...
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 23:43
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What is this ? Avatar Airlines ? 747s ? They seem to have a bunch of management people lined up for whatever that means:

https://avatarairlines.com/
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 11:38
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Should have figured this out. I thought the concept sounded familiar...pretty entertaining but never say die:

"Nevada-based Avatar was originally incorporated as Family Airlines in 2004, and adopted its current name nearly about a decade ago."


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...us-747-462457/
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 22:05
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I looks very ambitious. I wonder why so many people wants to get in the airline business. It is such a ruinous business, so many fail.
If they sell well pax and cargo they may succeed.
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