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Old 11th Feb 2018, 18:01
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How to obtain FAA ATP when having an ICAO ATP

Hi friends;

I have Comm/multi/instr FAA and ICAO ATPL with a type rating currently flying overseas for an int'l major and will like to obtain my FAA ATP. I know the regs changed, but for circumstances beyond my control I wasn't able to do it before the new system. Any good tips how to do it now, greatly appreciatted.

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Old 11th Feb 2018, 19:22
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When did ICAO start issuing ATPL's ? This is a new thing.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 21:06
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Originally Posted by colofly72 View Post
Hi friends;

I have Comm/multi/instr FAA and ICAO ATPL with a type rating currently flying overseas for an int'l major and will like to obtain my FAA ATP. I know the regs changed, but for circumstances beyond my control I wasn't able to do it before the new system. Any good tips how to do it now, greatly appreciatted.

cheers!!
- license verification
- atp-ctp course (useless but required)
- atp-Mel written
- atp Flight test

You will need the correct visa or use the VWP depending on your country, also TSA clearance for the atp-ctp course and a separate TSA clearance for the flight prep and Flight test with which ever school you go through. Also need an FAA medical.

This is all assuming you meet all the requirements of part 61.

You may not need the license verification and your icao ATP is irrrelevant in second thoughts as you are just upgrading you FAA license to an ATP but all other requirements stand.

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Old 12th Feb 2018, 05:16
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First tip - revisit the ATP requirements of part 61 and make sure that you have the necessary hours and training -- obvious thing to say but it is a useful checklist.

ATP-CTP - not sure that you do in fact need TSA.

ATP training and flight test on MEP - no TSA required. ( since you already have a stand alone CPL/IR/MEP). Also no endorsement required for checkride as you hold equivalent foreign licence.

Getting the type rating added to your FAA certificate - sorry, can't help you on that.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 05:55
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https://www.flightschoolcandidates.g...e=c&section=WN

Here is everything you should need to know about the TSA Alien Flight Training Program. Since you already have your FAA Certificate then adding an ATP will not require TSA. However, I believe if you are wanting to add the type rating then you will need the TSA check.
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Old 12th Feb 2018, 13:50
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https://www.flightschoolcandidates.g...e=c&section=WN

Here is everything you should need to know about the TSA Alien Flight Training Program. Since you already have your FAA Certificate then adding an ATP will not require TSA. However, I believe if you are wanting to add the type rating then you will need the TSA check.
You definitely need TSA for ATP-CTP due to the Sim requirement.
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Thank for the replies, as per TSA, US citizens need as well TSA clrnc??, and the ATP-CTP course, any thoughts if could be waived due to airline experience (currently working) or costs??, I tried to check with the FSDO once few months back, but they had no clear info about it

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Originally Posted by colofly72 View Post
Thank for the replies, as per TSA, US citizens need as well TSA clrnc??, and the ATP-CTP course, any thoughts if could be waived due to airline experience (currently working) or costs??, I tried to check with the FSDO once few months back, but they had no clear info about it

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No US citizens do not need TSA clearance. Anyone else does.

No there are no waivers for prior experience, you need the ATP-CTP certificate in hand to sit the ATP-MEL written.

By the way the ATP-CTP course is not a prep course for the written at all. You will still need to study gleim/dauntless etc software in your own time.

The ATP-CTP is a complete waste of time. Only real benefit maybe is new guys to jets get a little insight to how they handle prior to starting airline training.
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 20:58
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Originally Posted by colofly72 View Post
Thank for the replies, as per TSA, US citizens need as well TSA clrnc??, and the ATP-CTP course, any thoughts if could be waived due to airline experience (currently working) or costs??, I tried to check with the FSDO once few months back, but they had no clear info about it

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As mentioned earlier, no waivers for previous airline experience. Heck we had a current CX 777 captain on our CTP course. At least he had some fun flying the A320 sim for his trouble. 😁
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Originally Posted by A Squared View Post
When did ICAO start issuing ATPL's ? This is a new thing.
Somehow, the rest of understood exactly what he meant.
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Old 2nd Mar 2018, 17:56
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Hi All,

I have an EASA ATP is the same procedure to convert in an FAA one?

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Old 2nd Mar 2018, 18:00
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EASA is member of ICAO, isn't it? Unless you have a Canadian ATP it's the same procedure for everyone.
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Old 3rd Mar 2018, 08:44
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ok clear....any ATP-CTP on line course at least for the theoretical part of it?

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ok clear....any ATP-CTP on line course at least for the theoretical part of it?
ATP-CTP has nothing to do with the written exam except for the fact you need to have done one at an approved provider in order to be allowed to sit the written exam. It in no way peeps you for the written.

Dauntless software (app) or one of those other exam prep software is the way to go for the written prep.
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There are currently 23 approved providers for the CTP. When you take out Embry Riddle U which includes it as part of a 4 year degree program and the airline inhouse programs there are 12 providers where a person can sign up for the 40 hour program.
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There are currently 23 approved providers for the CTP. When you take out Embry Riddle U which includes it as part of a 4 year degree program and the airline inhouse programs there are 12 providers where a person can sign up for the 40 hour program.
And itís roughly 5k wherever you go unless you join an airline here and they cover it for you. Absolute waste of time but you need it to sit your written.
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Old 3rd Mar 2018, 13:33
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Originally Posted by MarkerInbound View Post
EASA is member of ICAO, isn't it? Unless you have a Canadian ATP it's the same procedure for everyone.
Even the Canadians have to do the ATP-CTP, just not the checkride...
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Old 3rd Mar 2018, 14:41
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ok...so in order to save some money, would be better at first to convert EASA ATPL in an FAA CPL?
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Old 3rd Mar 2018, 15:22
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ok...so in order to save some money, would be better at first to convert EASA ATPL in an FAA CPL?
Not that would be a waste. You still need the ATP written exam to get do an ATP flight test. So even with an FAA CPL you still need an atp-ctp course to take the atp written.
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Old 3rd Mar 2018, 20:19
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Curious question only, my ATP goes back 40 years, but IF one is not going airline, just wants ATP ASEL, do they still need the CTP?

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