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Old 29th May 2017, 21:09
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Also been renting out apartments and condos, never had a problem getting my rent checks
Suppose one of your renters was moving out, and you refuse to give him his safety deposit back without (as he perceives it) a good cause. Then you don't mind if he "takes" your car as ransom until you pay back his deposit?

Or would you call the cops on him?
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Old 29th May 2017, 21:26
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Originally Posted by peekay4
Suppose one of your renters was moving out, and you refuse to give him his safety deposit back without (as he perceives it) a good cause. Then you don't mind if he "takes" your car as ransom until you pay back his deposit?

Or would you call the cops on him?
Can't see it happening, I always give them back what is due.
If there is damages I get a contractor's estimate or the tenant can hire their own contractor to fix whatever is the issue.
I don't operate like the flight school in post Nr. 1, hence I never had problems.
If somebody tries to screw me over, that is when it gets ugly.
So far I have taken lien in 3 houses after somebody tried not to pay what they owed me.
(Some of you are confused, I am not the bad guy here, I am just suggesting there are various ways to collect money, but always use the laws and the court system first like mentioned a few times earlier )
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Old 30th May 2017, 06:05
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I'm just being realistic here.
It may cost you $6000 to get $5300 back through the courts.
Your case won't be helped by the fact you'll need to leave the country within a specific amount of time (30 days?) after terminating your flight training with that school.
Go to the Sheriffs department and file a report.
Then get together with other students and see if you can do a group thing.
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Old 30th May 2017, 06:55
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Originally Posted by B2N2
I'm just being realistic here.
It may cost you $6000 to get $5300 back through the courts.
Your case won't be helped by the fact you'll need to leave the country within a specific amount of time (30 days?) after terminating your flight training with that school.
Go to the Sheriffs department and file a report.
Then get together with other students and see if you can do a group thing.
Not sure about FL but in California small claims filing would be around $50 plus service fees. No costs payable to defendant if you lose.

Most courts have free and self help departments. Lawyers are not permitted to represent either side in the court room.

Maybe addition court costs for liens/garnishments/bailiffs/etc. but they all get added to what you're owed.

Used it successfully on 4 occasions.

Even receiving the summons might make it clear you're not going to be messed around.

Return on visa waiver? Probably also some requirement to allow you to attend court that USCIS will help with?

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Old 30th May 2017, 13:28
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Originally Posted by TowerDog
(Some of you are confused, I am not the bad guy here, I am just suggesting there are various ways to collect money, but always use the laws and the court system first like mentioned a few times earlier )

Perhaps if your tone were something other than "don't mess with me", some of "us" might not be so confused.


Just a thought.
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Old 30th May 2017, 13:32
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Originally Posted by tikiwispers

I chose to disenrolled after spending 7 weeks at the school and having only flown 20 hours. My decision was also influenced by other students problems that where being handled terribly, additional charges being put on my account and being charged more per log book hour than advertised. This all added up to me loosing trust in the school.


Not that $5,300 is necessarily chump change, but if that's all this is about, I'd probably just take it as a lesson learned and move on. I get the sense you went to a third- or fourth-tier school in hopes of saving money. Looks like it didn't work.
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Old 30th May 2017, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul
Perhaps if your tone were something other than "don't mess with me", some of "us" might not be so confused.


Just a thought.
What is wrong with standing up for your rights and fighting back if you are being screwed over?
If that comes across as "don't mess with me", it is right on.
If you are still confused, I can't help any further.
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Old 30th May 2017, 13:56
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Originally Posted by TowerDog
What is wrong with standing up for your rights and fighting back if you are being screwed over? If that comes across as "don't mess with me", it is right on.
Nothing wrong at all. Right up to the point where following your advice gets the guy arrested on a frderal fellony charge. At t5hat point the OP might wish he/she had taken advice from someone who was actually trying to help rather than an uninformed vigillante wannabe.

If you are still confused, I can't help any further.
I'm not sure you've actually helped anyway, so I doubt any further contributrions will be seriously missed.

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Old 30th May 2017, 14:09
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Nothing wrong at all. Right up to the point where following your advice gets the guy arrested on a frderal fellony charge. At t5hat point the OP might wish he/she had taken advice from someone who was actually trying to help rather than an uninformed vigillante wannabe.

My advice was to seek legal help. Read the thread again.




I'm not sure you've actually helped anyway, so I doubt any further contributrions will be seriously missed.

. I guess reading comprehension is not your strong side, but let me help you: Previous poster claimed he was confused, I tried to help him clear up the confusion.

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As for contributing to this thread, if this is the best you can do..
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Old 30th May 2017, 14:47
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Originally Posted by TowerDog
What is wrong with standing up for your rights and fighting back if you are being screwed over?
If that comes across as "don't mess with me", it is right on.
If you are still confused, I can't help any further.
No worries, pops, you weren't trying to help anyone anyway.
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Old 30th May 2017, 15:14
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You're not alone

Don't worry Tower
I think the same way. When all other law abiding ways have failed, you have to get what's owed.

Only difference now is, a professional career needing a unblemished criminal record. So I'm too scared now. Too much to lose.
Now I get my justiceporn from reddit to keep me going 😂😂
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Old 30th May 2017, 15:51
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Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul
No worries, pops, you weren't trying to help anyone anyway.
Another great contribution, thx junior.
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Old 30th May 2017, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Aeroshizzle
Don't worry Tower
I think the same way. When all other law abiding ways have failed, you have to get what's owed.

Only difference now is, a professional career needing a unblemished criminal record. So I'm too scared now. Too much to lose.
Now I get my justiceporn from reddit to keep me going 😂😂
Nah, it is not worth going to jail for.
I never said to steal an airplane or steal anything else, but if all the legal avenues have failed, what the hell, rent one of the airplanes and take it from there. How can you go to jail for having starting problems while you are asking to get your money back..?
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Old 30th May 2017, 17:31
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Originally Posted by TowerDog
How can you go to jail for having starting problems while you are asking to get your money back..?
How can he rent one of their airplanes if he already "disenrolled" from the school?
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Old 30th May 2017, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Amadis of Gaul
How can he rent one of their airplanes if he already "disenrolled" from the school?
Not sure he has "disenrolled", that was your speculation.

I had recently decided to take the big step in moving to Florida to pursue my dream and start my professional pilot training. After 2 months at the flight school I made the decision to no longer continue my training with the school.
Not sure how many times I have to say this: I recommended 3 perfectly legal solutions and if none of those worked out and if the student are still being screwed out of his money, there may be some last resorts available but nowhere did I recommend those to be the first choice, nor did I give legal advice.
Some folks are reading too much between the lines and jumping up and down for no reason.
Next.
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Old 30th May 2017, 23:23
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Originally Posted by TowerDog
Nah, it is not worth going to jail for.
I never said to steal an airplane or steal anything else, but if all the legal avenues have failed, what the hell, rent one of the airplanes and take it from there. How can you go to jail for having starting problems while you are asking to get your money back..?
Very likely the airplane is not owned by the school but by a lease back owner or a bank.
In which case the school will just shrug it off and notify the owner who will notify the authorities as a "disgruntled foreign student" stole a plane.
That will get the attention of the entire alphabet police.
I still don't buy the entire story.
I've been a Chief Flight Instructor for a school in Florida for a couple of years.
There's always more to the story.

Anyway, follow the advice above ( except the stealing airplane part) and look for another school.
Assume you won't see the $5300 back.
Finishing your training has priority
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Old 31st May 2017, 00:53
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. Anyway, follow the advice above ( except the stealing airplane part) and look for another school.
Stealing airplane?
Nobody adviced stealing an airplane.

Read it again, and if necessary, again and again..
Jeez.
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Old 31st May 2017, 02:11
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Originally Posted by TowerDog
Stealing airplane?
Nobody adviced stealing an airplane.

Read it again, and if necessary, again and again..
Jeez.
You sign a rental agreement which is a legally binding contract in itself.
The training contract the OP signed may very well have additional rental stipulations and "we'll hold on to your money just in case" clause.
Let it go already.
It was a bad idea, we forgive you now let's move on shall we.
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Old 31st May 2017, 20:01
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Originally Posted by B2N2
You sign a rental agreement which is a legally binding contract in itself.
The training contract the OP signed may very well have additional rental stipulations and "we'll hold on to your money just in case" clause.
Let it go already.
It was a bad idea, we forgive you now let's move on shall we.
We may be talking apples and oranges.
I never said it was a good idea, perhaps a last resort if everything else fails.
Thanks for the forgives though, now I can sleep better.
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The school owe you almost 6 grand, that is usually well above the small claims court limit. Most US states limit small claims to something less the a couple of grant.


Contact a local attorney who specializes in contract or business law. The first meeting is usually free. The attorney can file suit in District Court and can also ask for penalties and attorney fees. The flight school may most likely settle shortly after being served the filling. The flight school would have to hire its own attorney adding to it final cost.
Another option would be for you to file the charges against the school and represent yourself. This could be a cheaper option but really increases the risk of failing to win.







Good Luck!
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