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Old 8th Mar 2017, 21:58
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MD-83 RTO Overrun at KYIP

Pictures and Twitter comments in the article linked below:

Michigan basketball's plane slides off runway, no injuries reported

By Brendan F. Quinn | [email protected]

on March 08, 2017 at 3:49 PM, updated March 08, 2017 at 4:34 PM

WASHINGTON D.C. -- A charter plane carrying the University of Michigan men's basketball team was involved in an accident at Willow Run Airport on Wednesday afternoon. No injuries have been reported.

The plane was bound for Washington D.C., where Michigan is set to begin Big Ten Tournament play on Thursday.

A statement from Michigan basketball said the accident was due to high winds.

Per U-M: "After attempting to take off in high winds, takeoff was aborted and, after strong braking, the plane slide [sic] off runway. The plane sustained extensive damage but everyone on board was safely evacuated and is safe."

Michigan coach John Beilein told MLive that no one was injured seriously, but a few people are banged up.

"All is OK," Beilein said.

Michigan said the team is making alternate travel plans.
Officials at Willow Run Airport were not immediately able to provide a report on details and additional causes of the accidents.

In addition to the Michigan team, the plane was also carrying band members, cheerleaders and members coaching staffs' families.

Michigan, the No. 8 seed in the tournament, is scheduled to play No. 9 Illinois at noon Thursday.

Washtenaw County, where Willow Run Airport is located, was under a High Wind Advisory warning on Wednesday afternoon. Wind gusts were expected to potentially reach up to 60 mph.

According to a tweet from U-M, the charter flight was set to take off shortly after 2 p.m. ET.
Michigan basketball's plane slides off runway, no injuries reported | MLive.com

A picture with the slides deployed, including the one in the tailcone, in this article:

Airport closed after plane carrying U-M basketball team slides off runway - WXYZ.com
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Old 9th Mar 2017, 01:54
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Well at least everyone is safe and no injuries.
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Have to admire the safety enhanced water drainage system as well.
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Yep, who knew that an aircraft might go off the end of a runway, who knew?

A few more pictures here:

https://twitter.com/CampSanderson/st...527571/photo/1

Interview with Coach Beilein concerning the evac in this article:

Michigan basketball team plane slides off runway at Willow Run Airport - WXYZ.com
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FYI:

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20170308-0
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs View Post
Strong, those Maddogs are. A lesser, tinfoil machine would have buckled in the middle...
Yep, I get the feeling that this plane will make stronger beer cans than a Boeing would have. Or, will it fly again?

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Would you prefer Mighty Dog? (MD-11)
As you know, the MD-11 is also warmly referred to as 'The Turtle' because of its tendency to roll on its back and head for the water.

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Sports team charters seem to figure quite bit in these kind or RTO or landing over runs, I suppose the guarantee the incident makes the enws but I wonder if the fact that most of the pax are approaching twice the weight of the 'standard' pax might mean the actual weight is rather more than the books suggest
One of the issues in the sports news was that the luggage and band equipment needed to be released by the feds before they could take alternate transportation. I'm wondering if this baggage in the hold was weighed last night to check the accuracy of the weight and balance calculations?

Anyway, looks like they just arrived in IAD on a Delta B-752, N662DN, for a noon game three hours from now.
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Sports team charters seem to figure quite bit in these kind or RTO or landing over runs, I suppose the guarantee the incident makes the enws but I wonder if the fact that most of the pax are approaching twice the weight of the 'standard' pax might mean the actual weight is rather more than the books suggest
On team flights they use team provided weights for pax and luggage, not standard weights.
They keep having incidents because most of them are sh!tbag operators putting excessive pressure on their crews.
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Nobody curious about a flight crew deciding to go when it's gusting 50?

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Wonder what they aborted for and at what speed...a shart maybe?
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Ex TWA

It's an ex-TWA airplane. I flew it.

At TWA we referred to it as the POS.

The MDD airframe is as strong as a Convair 880.
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Good stuff.

I flew the MD80 for four years, not impressed, crummy handling, poor brakes, leaked in the rain, self generated wing ice, non-existent AC in the summer.


Mad was my decision to leave the superb B727 for it..
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[QUOTE]Nobody curious about a flight crew deciding to go when it's gusting 50?
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What was the Xwind component? G50 isn't a show stopper. ORD yesterday was G49 at the top end for my landing, ops normal with hundreds of arrivals and departures as the winds were right down the 27s/28s.
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Looks like under 10kts if the direction held steady and it was 27. Direction being the x-factor that can catch one out in gusts, particularly on a tab-controlled aircraft like the MD.

That aside, looks to be a reasonable bet that it was within company limitations.
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It's an ex-TWA airplane. I flew it.
Actually not. It may have a TW suffixed tail number but was new to Avianca in Colombia in 1992, for 18 years. In 2010 it was sold to Sierra American/Ameristar, who registered it so, following on from some DC-9s they have with comparable suffixes. It was their only one of type. If I'm not mistaken this was no executive-interior aircraft, but laid out in one-class charter configuration.

Sports team charters seem to figure quite bit in these kind or RTO or landing over runs
And other incidents. I feel that as aviation charter purchasers such organisations are amateurs at it, and just look for the bottom bidder. Concepts such as detailed due diligence of the operator, etc, the sort of thing a mainstream carrier looks for if they need to select an ACMI substitute operator, are beyond them.
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Update today from the NTSB:

The following facts are provided as an investigative update:

• Parties to the investigation include the Federal Aviation Administration, The Boeing Company and Ameristar Air Cargo, Inc.

• Both pilots held airline transport pilot certificates with DC-9-series type ratings (this rating includes the MD-83).

• The pilot-in-command, who was the Ameristar chief pilot, was in the right seat and was providing differences training to the captain, who was in the left seat and was the pilot flying the aircraft.

• The Ameristar chief pilot had 9,660 total flight hours, with 2,462 hours in DC 9 series airplanes. The captain (flying pilot) had 15,518 total flight hours, with 8,495 hours in DC-9-series airplanes.

• Post-accident examination revealed movement of the control column in the cockpit appeared normal; the control columns were free to move, and the elevator control tabs moved as commanded. However, when investigators tried to move the elevator surfaces by hand, the left elevator moved normally, but the right elevator was jammed in a trailing edge-down position (airplane nose down). Upon further inspection, the right elevator geared tab inboard pushrod linkage was found damaged which restricted movement of the right elevator surface but allowed movement of the control tab. After the damaged components were removed, the elevator could be moved by hand.

• Examination of the flight data recorder data indicates that during the taxi and take-off roll, the left elevator moved normally, but the right elevator did not move. During takeoff roll, the left elevator began a large airplane nose-up movement (consistent with rotation) at an airspeed of about 152 knots and continued for five seconds to about 166 knots. There was no change in the airplane pitch attitude during this time. The airplane data then are consistent with the takeoff being rejected. The maximum recorded airspeed was about 173 knots.

• Review of previous flight data showed normal movement of both the left and right elevator surfaces. The airplane flew to Ypsilanti two days before the accident.

• The flight and cabin crewmembers indicated in post-accident statements that all slides except for the forward right door deployed correctly. The slide was removed from the airplane and will be examined by investigators at a future date.
The elevator asymmetry can be seen in the photo in post #8.
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Well that sure sounds like a legitimate aborted take off.
NO DC-9/MD83 experience here but what does the book say about inflight (partial) elevator blockage?
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Sounds like a job really well done. Good case in point for the naysayers about post V1 aborts.
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So in this case, the high winds likely saved some lives. Imagine the outcome of aborting at 170 knots + with no headwind component!
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Not too familiar with the MD's, what is that stenciled area above "N7" of the registration that can be seen in the photo in post #8?
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That is an area used by emergency services to get access to the interior if this is not possible by other means. The square indicates an area were the fuselage can be breached with an axe by the firefighters. There should be no further structure in the way and provide a clear path for casualty extraction.
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
On team flights they use team provided weights for pax and luggage, not standard weights.
They keep having incidents because most of them are sh!tbag operators putting excessive pressure on their crews.
There was another Big Ten team flight incident in February. Not sure if it was the same operator.

Charter flight carrying IU team gets stuck before takeoff at Monroe Airport | News | heraldtimesonline.com

Airport director called the incident "a nonissue"
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