US Regional Headhunting

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Hawaiian Airlines Pilot Pathway Program ? How many people can they get with this idea ?:

"Candidates hired through Hawaiian’s Pilot Pathway Aircrew Instructor program will deliver fleet and ground training to pilots while helping develop courses for Flight Standards & Qualification activities. After one year on the job, instructors will be guaranteed a first officer interview during the next available hiring period."

https://worldairlinenews.com/2019/12...thway-program/


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I guess that would depend on who they are hiring. If they were hiring people into program who otherwise wouldn't be likely to get an interview, and there was a reasonable chance that they'd get hired, there might be some takers. The thing is, do you have a reasonable chance of getting hired as a result of your interview if you couldn't get an interview on the merits of your resume? That's hard to judge.

Also, reading the entire article, you don't get hired after a year, you just get *interviewed* after a year, you're not eligible to begin pilot training until you've been in the instructor/trainer position for 2 years.

Seems to me that if your dream job is Hawaiian, and you don't have competitive minimums, you're better off going to a regional for 2 years and adding another 1800-ish hours of 121 time to your resume and keeping your application with Hawaiian current. If Hawaiian says thanks, but no thanks in your guaranteed interview, you've just spent a year, not adding time to your resume, not maintaining currency, not climbing a seniority list, really, not doing anything that increases your chances of getting hired at your #2 dream job.

Seems like a poor gamble to me.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by A Squared

Seems like a poor gamble to me.

Yep, that's how it struck me too...for all the reasons you listed. They might get a few takers but how many of these instructors do they need anyway ? Can't be throngs.

They can just get people retired or out on medical to do that job. I don't see how it'll be all that productive for them.

[bafanguy]

Delta has modified the criteria for its Delta Guaranteed Interview (DGI) program for pilots from their wholly-owned regional, Endeavor Air. It's still not a "flow" but appears to be an improvement including going back to look at some candidates who were previously unsuccessful. The full details have yet to appear on their website but I suppose this will improve recruiting a bit ?:

"Now, the pathway to Delta just got easier with program improvements that will give Endeavor pilots an even stronger advantage over Off-the-Street candidates for Delta pilot jobs."

Delta Guaranteed Interview Program | Endeavor Air

Endeavor Air Announces An Improved DGI Program For Pilots | Aero-News Network

[bafanguy]

I see this Eagle Jet International ad pop up regularly. I assume they're recruiting foreign nationals to work for US operators ? To which companies do these recruits go ? Looks like PFT:

"ANY NATIONALITY"

“Training Fee Required Once Approved”

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/12552.html

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

I see this Eagle Jet International ad pop up regularly. I assume they're recruiting foreign nationals to work for US operators ? To which companies do these recruits go ? Looks like PFT:

"ANY NATIONALITY"

“Training Fee Required Once Approved”

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/12552.html

Hmmmm, scratching my head about the title: "Regional Jet & Heavy Turboprop First Officer ..." Then the ad goes on to say that it's for Embraer 135/145/Legacy, none of which are turboprops. It says there's no flight time requirements, so that implies that they aren't looking or pilots with "heavy" turboprop experience. What is a "heavy" turboprop anyway? The only "heavy" designation I know of is wake turbulence category, which is 300,000 lb MGTOW or more. The only turboprop I can think of above that is the AN-22.

[bafanguy]

A x A,

The only thing I can think of is a Part 135 operator like Contour Airlines (or similar). Not sure what TP operators they mean. Maybe "heavy" is a comparative term like a SA227, heavier than a C208 ?

Here's a Contour ad:

"Be a U.S. citizen or upon hire show proof of right to work in the U.S."

I think I remember seeing earlier Eagle Jet Int'l ads promising green cards.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Job/indian...SEARCH_RESULTS

[bafanguy]

Silver Airways...don't normally hear much about them:

“Upgrade – new hire pilots with 1000 hours of 121 experience can bid for Captain on day one; all other new hires are projected to upgrade to Captain within 18 months “

“Onward and upward - all pilots are extended a pathway to Frontier Airlines after 1000 PIC at Silver.”

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/...ce=SkyJobs.com

[A Squared]

For what it's worth, Silver traces it's lineage back to the old Gulfstream, with it's "Make the FO's pay us to fly our 1900's " scam. Technically a different airline, but I've found that leopards don't usually change their spots much.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by A Squared

For what it's worth, Silver traces it's lineage back to the old Gulfstream, with it's "Make the FO's pay us to fly our 1900's " scam.

A x A,

Current circumstances in the US have sure done away with the need for anyone to do stuff like that.

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

A x A,

Current circumstances in the US have sure done away with the need for anyone to do stuff like that.

Sure, I understand that in today's pilot market, nobody is renting out pilot seats on airliners. I'm just saying that in a more general sense, outfits that treat thier employees poorly (in whatever form that may be) usually continue treating employees poorly, even though name/ownership changes.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by A Squared

I'm just saying that in a more general sense, outfits that treat thier employees poorly (in whatever form that may be) usually continue treating employees poorly, even though name/ownership changes.

A x A,

Agree. And this fact of life will continue as long as there are people willing to stand and take a beating to get in a seat. That seems to provide at least some level of supply. It's just more common outside the USA.

[zondaracer]

Expressjet just announced losing 25 E175s (which they just received and started flying in 2019)

SkyWest just announced that they will receive 25 E175s from Expressjet in 2020. They will be based in IAH and ORD. These planes are owned by United.

Expressjet just announced that they will be an all E145 carrier, and they will receive 36 used E145s and establish flying in DEN.

Trans States just announced that they will lose all 36 E145s and shut down operations by the end of 2020.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by zondaracer

Trans States just announced that they will lose all 36 E145s and shut down operations by the end of 2020.

Found this memo to TSA's employees:



https://forums.jetcareers.com/attach...9a-jpeg.51610/

https://forums.jetcareers.com/attach...f3-jpeg.51611/

[bafanguy]

Part 135 operator, Contour Airlines, is advertising for F/Os:

“…and the company is now ranked as one of the largest Part 135 operators in the country.”

MINIMUM AND/OR RECOMMENDED FLIGHT TIMES
• Total Time: 500 Minimum/1000 recommended
• Multi-Engine Time: 100 Minimum/200 recommended


https://www.paycomonline.net/v4/ats/...0DB7B85238B354


https://www.paycomonline.net/v4/ats/...0DB7B85238B354

[zondaracer]

SkyWest announced that they will also purchase 20 E175s to fly for American Eagle. They have yet to announce where these planes will go. Compass will be an airline with just 20 E175s, flying exclusively for American Eagle, by this summer, with contracts up for renewal with in the next couple years. It could just be a coincidence.

[bafanguy]

Appears Elite Airways is recruiting 10 CRJ F/Os:

https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/...ce=SkyJobs.com


I think they're in cahoots with the reincarnation of Midwest Express:

"Elite Airways will provide the initial aircraft, flight crews and maintenance service for Midwest Express, and Midwest Express will establish its own reservations system, customer service operations and in-flight amenities to support the new flights."


https://worldairlinenews.com/category/elite-airways/

[bafanguy]

Elite Airways recruitng CRJ F/Os ? Well, maybe not ?:

"Midwest Express (ME) announced that it has ended its partnership with Elite Airways."

“‘We are in substantial discussions with other airline operators to bring back non-stop service to Milwaukee,’ Aretakis added.”


https://www.aviationpros.com/airline...-elite-airways

[zondaracer]

Well, and like that it all comes to a screeching halt. Compass and Trans States Airlines are both closing their doors permanently within the next two weeks (both are owned by Trans States Holdings). Everyone has stopped hiring with the exception of Expressjet and cargo carriers. Some unlucky ones have found themselves in cancelled classes and out on the street looking for a job, and the talks of furlough are murmuring amongst the masses. Hopefully, the recovery is quick. Best of luck to everyone.

[bafanguy]

Interesting move for Skywest to advertise for pilots in nine bases in this environment. It's not as if there won't be any pilots when/if regional hiring resumes. The ads start with this bold statement:

"Leave your resume for when this job reopens – soon!"


https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fix...k/jobID_483703

[Climb150]

Also strange that their La Guardia base is closed