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My company has a combination of day trips (called locals), 2 day, 3 day, and 4 day trips. We have almost no redeyes but we have a couple. I’ve never done one. We also have something called “standups” which are also known as “split duty” or “high speeds” which is flying the last flight out to an out station and bringing the first flight back in the morning. They put you in a hotel for 4 hours or more and you pay is typically much more than what you actually fly (on a standup). A friend of mine works at a company that also has 5 day trips.
What you get awarded depends on your seniority, the availability of trips, your base, and the plane you fly. Schedules can sometimes vary wildly month to month if you are very junior, and get more consistent with seniority.
What you get awarded depends on your seniority, the availability of trips, your base, and the plane you fly. Schedules can sometimes vary wildly month to month if you are very junior, and get more consistent with seniority.
Originally Posted by DropYourSocks
Bafanguy, Havick et al.
First off thank you both for all of the useful info you've both posted here and in the Aus forums over the past few years.
If you don't mind though I was wondering what the lifestyle at the better regionals is like now. Can you bid for day trips, or are they all multi's? Really I'm after what your experience has been like.
I have a pretty cruisy job with one of the Aus big 4, and a US partner who's pretty keen to get home so I'm weighing up whether it's worth the jump.
I must admit though it sounds like it'd be one hell of an adventure!
Cheers,
Socks
First off thank you both for all of the useful info you've both posted here and in the Aus forums over the past few years.
If you don't mind though I was wondering what the lifestyle at the better regionals is like now. Can you bid for day trips, or are they all multi's? Really I'm after what your experience has been like.
I have a pretty cruisy job with one of the Aus big 4, and a US partner who's pretty keen to get home so I'm weighing up whether it's worth the jump.
I must admit though it sounds like it'd be one hell of an adventure!
Cheers,
Socks
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Originally Posted by DropYourSocks
.I have a pretty cruisy job with one of the Aus big 4, and a US partner who's pretty keen to get home so I'm weighing up whether it's worth the jump.
I must admit though it sounds like it'd be one hell of an adventure!
I must admit though it sounds like it'd be one hell of an adventure!
Do you have a green card via your spouse ? If so, you've got 51% of the problem solved.
Thanks for all your replies ✌
No green card at this stage, but that'll be the plan for the future. At this stage the move is more for the missus, and the regionals seem like a good way to get acquainted with how life works there.
The idea would be to settle and move on to the majors, so it's more a matter of how to spend the next few years until then.
Cheers,
Socks
No green card at this stage, but that'll be the plan for the future. At this stage the move is more for the missus, and the regionals seem like a good way to get acquainted with how life works there.
The idea would be to settle and move on to the majors, so it's more a matter of how to spend the next few years until then.
Cheers,
Socks
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Originally Posted by DropYourSocks
No green card at this stage, but that'll be the plan for the future. At this stage the move is more for the missus, and the regionals seem like a good way to get acquainted with how life works there.
Understand. So, you'd shoot for a regional that'd get your FAA ticket for you and go from there ?
What airplane have you been flying so far ?
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Not a gimmick
Not sure how it’s a gimmick if you choose an American wholly owned and have guaranteed flow to mainline no interview .
What is a gimmick is the bonus they offer. American regionals - psa, envoy and piedmont get an American Airlines employee number from day one , it’s pensionable time, free passes on par with main liners , buddy passes ect.
Others that have regionals may offer an interview but not guaranteed employment like American . 5 year flow at Piedmont !
What is a gimmick is the bonus they offer. American regionals - psa, envoy and piedmont get an American Airlines employee number from day one , it’s pensionable time, free passes on par with main liners , buddy passes ect.
Others that have regionals may offer an interview but not guaranteed employment like American . 5 year flow at Piedmont !
Originally Posted by bafanguy
Zonda,
"...they view it as a gimmick to get more new hires."
Sounds like some kinda gimmick is necessary from what I'm hearing.
"...they view it as a gimmick to get more new hires."
Sounds like some kinda gimmick is necessary from what I'm hearing.
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My bonus with piedmont was 21500 and it was paid out , same with envoy ! Average salary is 60000 with all the triple time paid out some FO’s made 12000 in a month . Not for me , I like my time at home on my days off ,
Originally Posted by zondaracer
Republic does have a $12500 hiring bonus now and highest pay for the regionals. Management held out for 8 years but they had to cave in eventually.
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Originally Posted by 510orbust
Not sure how it’s a gimmick if you choose an American wholly owned and have guaranteed flow to mainline no interview .
Having it in one's pocket as an option is certainly a plus especially considering the low numbers of AA new hires who are civ-only street hires.
Lots of ways to look at these deals. No one has to be right or wrong...que sera sera.
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Right or wrong
Everything in aviation is a what if . What if another volcano blows and companies go under like a few years ago . What if there is another terror attack closing us airspace for over a week .
Point is this , currently I know guys who are flowing monthly , american is obligated to take from its feeders as long as guys pass the initial course . This is why you don’t see the street hires as you once did . All our apps are American , SOP aligned American now , uniform is american , as is our flight and commuting perks . Pay is being negotiated as we speak as is quality of life . If you are looking at a legacy carrier than the way to go is a regional wholly owned . Upgrade quickly you will just need 1000 hours 121 time .
Point is this , currently I know guys who are flowing monthly , american is obligated to take from its feeders as long as guys pass the initial course . This is why you don’t see the street hires as you once did . All our apps are American , SOP aligned American now , uniform is american , as is our flight and commuting perks . Pay is being negotiated as we speak as is quality of life . If you are looking at a legacy carrier than the way to go is a regional wholly owned . Upgrade quickly you will just need 1000 hours 121 time .
Originally Posted by bafanguy
There's quite a bit of discussion about the AA flow. Yes, it's there and will be great for those able to get it in a few years....IF they get it in a few years. That's the wild card. As the financial wizards say, "Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.".
Having it in one's pocket as an option is certainly a plus especially considering the low numbers of AA new hires who are civ-only street hires.
Lots of ways to look at these deals. No one has to be right or wrong.
Having it in one's pocket as an option is certainly a plus especially considering the low numbers of AA new hires who are civ-only street hires.
Lots of ways to look at these deals. No one has to be right or wrong.
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Originally Posted by 510orbust
Point is this , currently I know guys who are flowing monthly ... This is why you don’t see the street hires as you once did .
And I'm happy to see things go well for people.
I spent 35 years as a working Part 121 line pilot so I'm quite familiar with earning a living in the airline biz...and the often negative factors that influence it having experienced them myself.
Originally Posted by 510orbust
Everything in aviation is a what if . What if another volcano blows and companies go under like a few years ago . What if there is another terror attack closing us airspace for over a week .
Point is this , currently I know guys who are flowing monthly , american is obligated to take from its feeders as long as guys pass the initial course . This is why you don’t see the street hires as you once did . All our apps are American , SOP aligned American now , uniform is american , as is our flight and commuting perks . Pay is being negotiated as we speak as is quality of life . If you are looking at a legacy carrier than the way to go is a regional wholly owned . Upgrade quickly you will just need 1000 hours 121 time .
Point is this , currently I know guys who are flowing monthly , american is obligated to take from its feeders as long as guys pass the initial course . This is why you don’t see the street hires as you once did . All our apps are American , SOP aligned American now , uniform is american , as is our flight and commuting perks . Pay is being negotiated as we speak as is quality of life . If you are looking at a legacy carrier than the way to go is a regional wholly owned . Upgrade quickly you will just need 1000 hours 121 time .
I joined Envoy late 2016, flew 1000 hours the last 12 months, slated for CA uograde training very shortly.
My flow date for AA mainline is mid 2022 and decreasing each time I check the list and proposed flow date.
All things considered not a terrible deal considering I was a helicopter pilot (didn’t need the RTP course offered) only weeks before I started at Envoy.
If I can goto mainline or a better deal between now and my flow date I will (fedex/UPS being the dream sheet), just starting to send apps out now so we will see. If it works out I end up flowing to AA because I don’t get bites anywhere else at least I gave it a shot and I still ended up at AA all the same. Better than sitting in Skywest or of another contract carrier 6-10 years from now still not getting bites to a legacy, just my opinion I’m sure there are others out there that may disagree.
All the while with AA mainline travel benefits and ID90 with lots of carriers and jumpseat with just about any US based carrier.
The often overlooked perk of flow is even if you don’t end up at the mainline carrier that owns you, the benefit is guaranteed progression up the seniority list every month due to the flow. Certainly helps with upgrade times, bidding for lines, vacation etc. As an FO I was bidding number 6-7 in base in only a year, and I’ll likely get a line right away as a CA once I finish training in a month or so.
Just my 2c from someone currently living it.
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Originally Posted by 510orbust
Point is this , currently I know guys who are flowing monthly , american is obligated to take from its feeders as long as guys pass the initial course . This is why you don’t see the street hires as you once did . All our apps are American , SOP aligned American now , uniform is american , as is our flight and commuting perks . Pay is being negotiated as we speak as is quality of life . If you are looking at a legacy carrier than the way to go is a regional wholly owned . Upgrade quickly you will just need 1000 hours 121 time .
Originally Posted by A Squared
Right, but never lose sight of why this is being done. It's being done so that they can keep pay at the regionals low and still fill the seats up front. That's the bottom line. Note, I'm not saying that they haven't put together a package which has potential long term benefits, I would agree that they have Just pointing out that despite the attractiveness of the deal, it's still a case of holding out the promise of a good job to get you to work for a while at the job that you don't really want to do, at least long term.
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Originally Posted by havick
If I can goto mainline or a better deal between now and my flow date I will (fedex/UPS being the dream sheet), just starting to send apps out now so we will see.
If it works out I end up flowing to AA because I don’t get bites anywhere else at least I gave it a shot and I still ended up at AA all the same.
Just my 2c from someone currently living it.
If it works out I end up flowing to AA because I don’t get bites anywhere else at least I gave it a shot and I still ended up at AA all the same.
Just my 2c from someone currently living it.
Nicely summarized.
Someone has to be the glass-half-empty guy so I stepped up to it. It's what we do here at Ye Olde Pilot Home.
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Originally Posted by havick
Agree with your points, but where else do you go? There’s only other shitty regionals (let’s face it they’re all pretty much the same). Let’s not forget it was mainline pilots that made B scales/regionals possible in the first place by allowing scope.
And yeah, the unions agreeing to B scales, (as long at they remained on the A scales) really illustrated how sincere they are about the whole "we're all in this together" concept. Hell, it's inherent in the name "union". You'd think they'd at least pretend to adhere to the concept.
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This can't hurt Trans States' recruiting efforts:
"Trans States Airlines pilots now have a direct pathway to the Frontier Airlines flight deck. An agreement inked by the two airlines guarantees participating Trans States pilots a First Officer position with the Denver-based Airbus operator after as little as two years of service with Trans States."
“A guaranteed pathway that allows for quick progression to a major carrier of Frontier’s caliber will be a huge asset to Trans States’ pilot recruiting efforts.”
https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/04...low-agreement/
A few hurdles but not outlandish:
“Trans States pilots will forego Frontier's interviewing process, and flow to Frontier Airlines' flight deck as a First Officer. “
http://www.transstates.net/careers/p...w-Program.aspx
Announcement dated today:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...=eml_cleartime
And, they take E3s:
http://www.transstates.net/careers/P...andidates.aspx
"Trans States Airlines pilots now have a direct pathway to the Frontier Airlines flight deck. An agreement inked by the two airlines guarantees participating Trans States pilots a First Officer position with the Denver-based Airbus operator after as little as two years of service with Trans States."
“A guaranteed pathway that allows for quick progression to a major carrier of Frontier’s caliber will be a huge asset to Trans States’ pilot recruiting efforts.”
https://worldairlinenews.com/2018/04...low-agreement/
A few hurdles but not outlandish:
“Trans States pilots will forego Frontier's interviewing process, and flow to Frontier Airlines' flight deck as a First Officer. “
http://www.transstates.net/careers/p...w-Program.aspx
Announcement dated today:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...=eml_cleartime
And, they take E3s:
http://www.transstates.net/careers/P...andidates.aspx
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Cape Air creating its own pilot supply pipeline:
“The local plan would see future pilots train for 750 hours -- roughly 1.5 to two years -- and then train with Cape Air for the next 750 hours.
If they complete the program, Whitmer said, the student pilots would more than likely land jobs with Cape Air.”
Airport, Cape Air creating pilot school | AviationPros.com
“The local plan would see future pilots train for 750 hours -- roughly 1.5 to two years -- and then train with Cape Air for the next 750 hours.
If they complete the program, Whitmer said, the student pilots would more than likely land jobs with Cape Air.”
Airport, Cape Air creating pilot school | AviationPros.com
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Originally Posted by button push ignored
Really I don’t see the point of feeder airlines starting such programs.
Who has this as a career goal?
Who has this as a career goal?
I can only guess that Cape is having a tough time competing for new blood ? Maybe they see an ab initio program as a way to lock in some people for a while ?
Heck, they'll even take people like us!
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Originally Posted by 510orbust
If you are looking at a legacy carrier than the way to go is a regional wholly owned...
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Not much said here lately about Silver Airways but they've been in the news recently for ordering a bunch of ATRs and buying Seaborne Airlines. No idea what this means for pilot hiring:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ine/556647002/
Their pilot hiring page:
Silver Airways
And from a few years ago, they've got a deal with Frontier. I'm not sure of the status or effectiveness of this arrangement:
https://www.silverairways.com/about-...m?stop_mobi=no
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...ine/556647002/
Their pilot hiring page:
Silver Airways
And from a few years ago, they've got a deal with Frontier. I'm not sure of the status or effectiveness of this arrangement:
https://www.silverairways.com/about-...m?stop_mobi=no
