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Old 6th Feb 2018, 15:35
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Bold. Unless I missed it, they don't explain how they get from fresh CPL to ATP mins to join the affiliated regionals. I don't see that school on the list for r-ATP mins:.
It may be that part of that program whcih isn't mentioned is that the "career path program" includes a period of flight instruction in the university's flight school whcih would make up the difference between Comm. minimums and ATP minimums. Just speculation on my part though.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 17:32
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Bold. Unless I missed it, they don't explain how they get from fresh CPL to ATP mins to join the affiliated regionals. I don't see that school on the list for r-ATP mins:

“And I think the real key is … when you do your interview with us when you’re a junior in college, you have done your last United interview. Your first and only United interview.”

This can't hurt Metro State's recruiting into the av program.
Yeah, Metro State doesn’t have any airplanes so they don’t qualify for the r-ATP. All of their students get their ratings at the flight school of their choice. It is kind of a different setup compared to traditional aviation universities.
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It may be that part of that program whcih isn't mentioned is that the "career path program" includes a period of flight instruction in the university's flight school whcih would make up the difference between Comm. minimums and ATP minimums. Just speculation on my part though.
The University does not have their own flight school. The students get their ratings and then pick their own path to 1500TT.
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Old 6th Feb 2018, 18:56
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The University does not have their own flight school. The students get their ratings and then pick their own path to 1500TT.
Z,

That's a variation on a theme. So, the university is just all academics.

That UAL interview thing will put 'em on the map. I'd like to see the fine print on that deal.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Z,

That's a variation on a theme. So, the university is just all academics.

That UAL interview thing will put 'em on the map. I'd like to see the fine print on that deal.
Looks like they end up at one of their regionals, doesn’t look like a flow agreement like AA.
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Old 7th Feb 2018, 07:49
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Originally Posted by havick
Looks like they end up at one of their regionals, doesn’t look like a flow agreement like AA.
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I guess you'd have to see the fine print on this deal. I can't tell from the article precisely what happens beyond interviewing with UAL as a junior, finding one's own way to 1500 hours and then to an affiliated regional.

These three paragraphs with bolded statements have the ring of a flow but with undefined criteria beyond the regional level. UAL seems to be bypassing the regional interview process but after that, I can't tell what's what. "Your first and only United interview" has a certain implied definition to it:

“The ‘career path program,’ which is being unveiled Tuesday, will create a means for flight officer students at Metro to interview with United as undergraduates, and — if accepted — follow a defined track to one of United’s regional partner airlines.”

“After meeting flight time requirements there, participants can move on to waiting jobs in United cockpits, all within five or seven years of graduation. “

“And I think the real key is … when you do your interview with us when you’re a junior in college, you have done your last United interview. Your first and only United interview.”
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
havick,

I guess you'd have to see the fine print on this deal. I can't tell from the article precisely what happens beyond interviewing with UAL as a junior, finding one's own way to 1500 hours and then to an affiliated regional.

These three paragraphs with bolded statements have the ring of a flow but with undefined criteria beyond the regional level. UAL seems to be bypassing the regional interview process but after that, I can't tell what's what. "Your first and only United interview" has a certain implied definition to it:

“The ‘career path program,’ which is being unveiled Tuesday, will create a means for flight officer students at Metro to interview with United as undergraduates, and — if accepted — follow a defined track to one of United’s regional partner airlines.”

“After meeting flight time requirements there, participants can move on to waiting jobs in United cockpits, all within five or seven years of graduation. “

“And I think the real key is … when you do your interview with us when you’re a junior in college, you have done your last United interview. Your first and only United interview.”
It looks deliberately vague. Looks more like a way to keep their regionals staffed than a means to get candidates in to mainline UAL.
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Originally Posted by havick
It looks deliberately vague. Looks more like a way to keep their regionals staffed than a means to get candidates in to mainline UAL.
All of these schemes exist as a way to draw pilots to the major Airline's regional feeders with with a carrot. Delta, United, etc. are not seriously worried about not having qualified applicants, They are, however, concerned about their feeders' ability to staff their airplanes with cheap labor. United and Delta's business model is absolutely dependent on a feeder network operated at rock bottom prices. This is why you have seen in the last 30 years, more and more "mainline" flying transferred to regional feeders, and those partners flying larger and larger airplanes. This is not about supplying pilots to the mainline, this is about trying to entice pilots to work for the feeders without the feeders increasing pay to be competitive in the pilot hiring market.
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Originally Posted by A Squared
All of these schemes exist as a way to draw pilots to the major Airline's regional feeders with with a carrot. Delta, United, etc. are not seriously worried about not having qualified applicants, They are, however, concerned about their feeders' ability to staff their airplanes with cheap labor. United and Delta's business model is absolutely dependent on a feeder network operated at rock bottom prices. This is why you have seen in the last 30 years, more and more "mainline" flying transferred to regional feeders, and those partners flying larger and larger airplanes. This is not about supplying pilots to the mainline, this is about trying to entice pilots to work for the feeders without the feeders increasing pay to be competitive in the pilot hiring market.
That’s what i was alluding to.
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A bit more from GoJet Airlines. Can't see a date on it:

Airline Agreements - Arizona Flight Training Center
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Does this 1 for 1 years of service match go for pay? Say
you have worked as a captain for 20 years for a US airline,
do you go in at 10-year captain pay?

Thanks,

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BDD,

Here's the XJT example ( I guess it's in effect). Not sure how much variation there is from one carrier to another or who else might be offering it. Poor 'ol XJT needs all the help it can get:

“The tentative deal would allow pilots to count up to 10 years of previous experience at Federal Aviation Regulation Part 121 carriers toward their tenures for purposes of hourly pay according to the specific equipment and status. That experience would also count toward benefits such as the 401(k) retirement match, defined contributions and vacation accrual.”


https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...le-credit-plan
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Thanks bafanguy.

Not a bad deal but I'm too old!!!
They might get a few takers.

Thanks again,

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BDD,

If you're under 65 you might not be too old.
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SkyWest just announced a military rotor to fixed wing transition program.

http://bountifulflight.com/training/skywest-bflt-rtp
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 20:34
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The Army has a good many rotor-wing pilots. Any idea how many are finding their way into the fixed-wing 121 world via programs like this ? I don't hear much said about this source of pilots.
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Amerifight's recent offering. Smell the desperation ? Sweet...

Pilot-Fixed Wing job at Ameriflight, LLC - Captain, B1900, Hiring Bonuses
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Amerifight's recent offering. Smell the desperation ? Sweet...

Pilot-Fixed Wing job at Ameriflight, LLC - Captain, B1900, Hiring Bonuses
Very light on pay if they’re trying to attract 121 guys across.
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Very light on pay if they’re trying to attract 121 guys across.
Yep, there must be some pressure on that sector of the industry.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
The Army has a good many rotor-wing pilots. Any idea how many are finding their way into the fixed-wing 121 world via programs like this ? I don't hear much said about this source of pilots.
Quite a few are jumping to the regionals now with these programs. GoJet and TSA have had these programs, and some of the American WO as well. Quite a few Army helicopter pilots do not need the transition programs as well since many get some King Air time or other fixed wing time, but I have a friend in the Army National Guard who has guys call me all the time asking about getting into the regionals and making the transition to fixed wing.
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