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United Pilot arrested after refusing to fly to Israel!

Old 26th Jun 2014, 15:28
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United Pilot arrested after refusing to fly to Israel!

United Airlines Pilot Forcibly Removed for Refusing to Fly to Israel - Pilot News Magazine | Pilot News Magazine


Just saw this article! Crazy!
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 15:45
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Well, at this point in the story, there is no indication that the pilot refused to fly because of the scheduled destination. I think the title is very misleading.

Of course there could be personal, political, or whatever other reason to refuse to fly to this destination, but until the story gives mores details, it looks bit overblown.

We would never have seen a title like that if the pilot had refused to fly to Honolulu. :
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 15:51
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Before everyone here starts making stuff up...initial intel is that the guy timed out.
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 15:51
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Originally Posted by United quoted as saying
the flight crew exceeded their legally permitted duty hours
Work dispute: "I dispute that I can work if I am going to exceed my duty hours".
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 17:30
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Yep, sounds like the old "discretion" business. "Of course you can fly; just go into discretion". "What bit about the word "discretion" do you not understand?"
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 17:43
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I would suggest that this type of airport drama article is customary in the local TLV press.

Another recent example:

Ruckus at Airport over Delayed Flight

Flight 323 to Paris postponed again and again, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:50 p.m.

By Shimon Cohen, Gil Ronen

First Publish: 6/1/2014, 2:12 PM

Passengers waiting to board El Al flight 323 to Paris have been experiencing a bad day Sunday, as their flight is delayed over and over again.

Arutz Sheva spoke to one of the passengers, Amos Sadeh of Hod Hasharon, who was on his way to Ben Gurion Airport in a taxi when he received a text message saying that the flight, originally scheduled for 9 a.m., would be postponed to 12 noon.

He arrived at the airport and checked in, but another text message informed him and the other passengers that the flight was delayed again, until 3:30 p.m.

The next message informed him that the flight would only take off at 4:50 p.m.

Sadeh said that a commotion began in the airport, as angry pasengers approached two stewardesses who were dispatched to calm their fraught nerves, but were not supplied with enough information to do so effectively.

The two said, at first, that there had been a technical problem with the flight and that it was being fixed. When passengers continued to address them angrily, one of them asked: “What do you want us to do – bring you a malfunctioning plane that will blow up in the air?” This apparently made the pasengers even more upset.

Sadeh said that no one from the management echelons has seen fit to speak with the stranded passengers. Security men who had been sent to enable some of the passengers to go back home, turned around and left without letting the passengers go.
Ruckus at Airport over Delayed Flight - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 18:02
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All the people protesting Israel for political reasons also refuse to go to Turkey, China, India, Pakistan, and any other country in similar occupation situations, right?
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 18:30
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Yep, sounds like the old "discretion" business. "Of course you can fly; just go into discretion". "What bit about the word "discretion" do you not understand?"
Not 100% sure if you're alluding to duty time regs but the US recently adopted a clean sheet approach to flight/duty and rest time. It's somewhat more restrictive than what it replaced, in a few areas it goes the other way.
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Old 26th Jun 2014, 18:44
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The two said, at first, that there had been a technical problem with the flight and that it was being fixed. When passengers continued to address them angrily, one of them asked: “What do you want us to do – bring you a malfunctioning plane that will blow up in the air?” This apparently made the pasengers even more upset.
Bloody morons, the passengers.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 04:06
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Clearly now much of online "journalism" is nothing
more than lies, rumour and speculation.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 07:56
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We appear to be missing facts - again. But Israel and facts rarely go together.
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 08:57
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Colleague of mine got into bother for not "bending the rules" and when asked by his Fleet Manager "Why didn't you use your discretion ?" Matey replied ; "I did...............................I went home !"
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 09:12
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We used to have a schedule (YVR - Calgary - MAN) that, often, required discretion to be exercised.

This meant wasting more time after the flight, filling in a form, explaining it all.

After doing this several weeks in a row, I filled in the form and wrote "I was discrete" as the reason.

Subsequently called into office, for being fascetious, to be told that the forms go to the CAA.

I suggested that maybe the schedule could be changed, if they had difficulty sending it to the CAA.

End result - schedule change!!!
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Old 27th Jun 2014, 23:00
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What unbelievably poor journalism. The fact the schedule happened to be to Israel has nothing at all to do with the story. Bit dubious about the "forcibly removed" bit too. Pilot needed to get to hotel as far as I can tell. If he had gone it would have been "shock horror as pilot illegally breaks flight time rules"
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 10:33
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Security called

Suspect that security was requested by the crew in anticipation of a hostile reaction from the passengers. The passengers had already endured many delays and were likely getting a bit upset. The perception that the pilot was "forcibly" removed is likely the crew being escorted through the crowd so they could get to their hotel.

Journalistic spin to incite controversy prays on ignorance and prejudice. If the crew was concerned about fatigue due to a creeping delay, they took the responsible course of action. The passengers were suffering the consequences of inept management by the airline. The public is suffering the consequences of inept journalism.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 13:18
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So was a United pilot arrested as the thread title says?
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 13:58
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No he wasn't arrested. All I know is that he wasn't going to extend his duty day as was his contractual right, because of the endless delays brought on by the operation.
He specifically asked for a police escort off the aircraft for his own personal safety.
It had nothing to do with going to Israel or making some sort of political statement.
I have only heard this second hand from other forums, so this being a rumor network is a good place for it.
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