United Pilot arrested after refusing to fly to Israel!
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United Pilot arrested after refusing to fly to Israel!
United Airlines Pilot Forcibly Removed for Refusing to Fly to Israel - Pilot News Magazine | Pilot News Magazine
Just saw this article! Crazy!
Just saw this article! Crazy!
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Well, at this point in the story, there is no indication that the pilot refused to fly because of the scheduled destination. I think the title is very misleading.
Of course there could be personal, political, or whatever other reason to refuse to fly to this destination, but until the story gives mores details, it looks bit overblown.
We would never have seen a title like that if the pilot had refused to fly to Honolulu. :
Of course there could be personal, political, or whatever other reason to refuse to fly to this destination, but until the story gives mores details, it looks bit overblown.
We would never have seen a title like that if the pilot had refused to fly to Honolulu. :
Originally Posted by United quoted as saying
the flight crew exceeded their legally permitted duty hours
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Yep, sounds like the old "discretion" business. "Of course you can fly; just go into discretion". "What bit about the word "discretion" do you not understand?"
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I would suggest that this type of airport drama article is customary in the local TLV press.
Another recent example:
Ruckus at Airport over Delayed Flight - Inside Israel - News - Arutz Sheva
Another recent example:
Ruckus at Airport over Delayed Flight
Flight 323 to Paris postponed again and again, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:50 p.m.
By Shimon Cohen, Gil Ronen
First Publish: 6/1/2014, 2:12 PM
Passengers waiting to board El Al flight 323 to Paris have been experiencing a bad day Sunday, as their flight is delayed over and over again.
Arutz Sheva spoke to one of the passengers, Amos Sadeh of Hod Hasharon, who was on his way to Ben Gurion Airport in a taxi when he received a text message saying that the flight, originally scheduled for 9 a.m., would be postponed to 12 noon.
He arrived at the airport and checked in, but another text message informed him and the other passengers that the flight was delayed again, until 3:30 p.m.
The next message informed him that the flight would only take off at 4:50 p.m.
Sadeh said that a commotion began in the airport, as angry pasengers approached two stewardesses who were dispatched to calm their fraught nerves, but were not supplied with enough information to do so effectively.
The two said, at first, that there had been a technical problem with the flight and that it was being fixed. When passengers continued to address them angrily, one of them asked: “What do you want us to do – bring you a malfunctioning plane that will blow up in the air?” This apparently made the pasengers even more upset.
Sadeh said that no one from the management echelons has seen fit to speak with the stranded passengers. Security men who had been sent to enable some of the passengers to go back home, turned around and left without letting the passengers go.
Flight 323 to Paris postponed again and again, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:50 p.m.
By Shimon Cohen, Gil Ronen
First Publish: 6/1/2014, 2:12 PM
Passengers waiting to board El Al flight 323 to Paris have been experiencing a bad day Sunday, as their flight is delayed over and over again.
Arutz Sheva spoke to one of the passengers, Amos Sadeh of Hod Hasharon, who was on his way to Ben Gurion Airport in a taxi when he received a text message saying that the flight, originally scheduled for 9 a.m., would be postponed to 12 noon.
He arrived at the airport and checked in, but another text message informed him and the other passengers that the flight was delayed again, until 3:30 p.m.
The next message informed him that the flight would only take off at 4:50 p.m.
Sadeh said that a commotion began in the airport, as angry pasengers approached two stewardesses who were dispatched to calm their fraught nerves, but were not supplied with enough information to do so effectively.
The two said, at first, that there had been a technical problem with the flight and that it was being fixed. When passengers continued to address them angrily, one of them asked: “What do you want us to do – bring you a malfunctioning plane that will blow up in the air?” This apparently made the pasengers even more upset.
Sadeh said that no one from the management echelons has seen fit to speak with the stranded passengers. Security men who had been sent to enable some of the passengers to go back home, turned around and left without letting the passengers go.
Yep, sounds like the old "discretion" business. "Of course you can fly; just go into discretion". "What bit about the word "discretion" do you not understand?"
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The two said, at first, that there had been a technical problem with the flight and that it was being fixed. When passengers continued to address them angrily, one of them asked: “What do you want us to do – bring you a malfunctioning plane that will blow up in the air?” This apparently made the pasengers even more upset.
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Colleague of mine got into bother for not "bending the rules" and when asked by his Fleet Manager "Why didn't you use your discretion ?" Matey replied ; "I did...............................I went home !"
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We used to have a schedule (YVR - Calgary - MAN) that, often, required discretion to be exercised.
This meant wasting more time after the flight, filling in a form, explaining it all.
After doing this several weeks in a row, I filled in the form and wrote "I was discrete" as the reason.
Subsequently called into office, for being fascetious, to be told that the forms go to the CAA.
I suggested that maybe the schedule could be changed, if they had difficulty sending it to the CAA.
End result - schedule change!!!
This meant wasting more time after the flight, filling in a form, explaining it all.
After doing this several weeks in a row, I filled in the form and wrote "I was discrete" as the reason.
Subsequently called into office, for being fascetious, to be told that the forms go to the CAA.
I suggested that maybe the schedule could be changed, if they had difficulty sending it to the CAA.
End result - schedule change!!!
Recollect exercising discretion and, inadvertently, going over 3hrs = snotogram from CAA and chat with boss 
Now, the usual suspects will, no doubt, appear to scream whatever but, our cabin crew did find NYC - TLV pax to be a little excitable and 'difficult'. Don't shoot the messenger - that's what they said.
Now, the usual suspects will, no doubt, appear to scream whatever but, our cabin crew did find NYC - TLV pax to be a little excitable and 'difficult'. Don't shoot the messenger - that's what they said.
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What unbelievably poor journalism. The fact the schedule happened to be to Israel has nothing at all to do with the story. Bit dubious about the "forcibly removed" bit too. Pilot needed to get to hotel as far as I can tell. If he had gone it would have been "shock horror as pilot illegally breaks flight time rules"
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Security called
Suspect that security was requested by the crew in anticipation of a hostile reaction from the passengers. The passengers had already endured many delays and were likely getting a bit upset. The perception that the pilot was "forcibly" removed is likely the crew being escorted through the crowd so they could get to their hotel.
Journalistic spin to incite controversy prays on ignorance and prejudice. If the crew was concerned about fatigue due to a creeping delay, they took the responsible course of action. The passengers were suffering the consequences of inept management by the airline. The public is suffering the consequences of inept journalism.
Journalistic spin to incite controversy prays on ignorance and prejudice. If the crew was concerned about fatigue due to a creeping delay, they took the responsible course of action. The passengers were suffering the consequences of inept management by the airline. The public is suffering the consequences of inept journalism.
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No he wasn't arrested. All I know is that he wasn't going to extend his duty day as was his contractual right, because of the endless delays brought on by the operation.
He specifically asked for a police escort off the aircraft for his own personal safety.
It had nothing to do with going to Israel or making some sort of political statement.
I have only heard this second hand from other forums, so this being a rumor network is a good place for it.
He specifically asked for a police escort off the aircraft for his own personal safety.
It had nothing to do with going to Israel or making some sort of political statement.
I have only heard this second hand from other forums, so this being a rumor network is a good place for it.
