New US Rest and Duty Regulations
"Commuting has gone from a privilege to an entitlement in some quarters with major contract concessions made to assuage the commuters"
Neither a privledges nor entitlement but rather a result of business decisions beyond my control. I've had a number of domociles closed out from underneath me. My crime is setting down roots in a crew base. Unless my airline or the FAA wants to replace my wife's income and pay for my upside down house commuting is the plan for the foreseeable future.
Neither a privledges nor entitlement but rather a result of business decisions beyond my control. I've had a number of domociles closed out from underneath me. My crime is setting down roots in a crew base. Unless my airline or the FAA wants to replace my wife's income and pay for my upside down house commuting is the plan for the foreseeable future.
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Although I viewed commuting as neither a privilege nor an entitlement, things have certainly changed over the years. What was once a choice is now a necessity for many. My hat's off to all you guys and gals still out there making the system run as well as it does 
Pure governmental (mental being the operative word) BS. This rule will do nothing for 'safety'. How does one keep track of 168 hours looking forward and back? The USA is filled with a bunch of hot air blowing cowards. No corporate or pilot union push back. In the USA the people fear the government. In many other places, the government fears the people.
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Pure governmental (mental being the operative word) BS. This rule will do nothing for 'safety'. How does one keep track of 168 hours looking forward and back? The USA is filled with a bunch of hot air blowing cowards. No corporate or pilot union push back. In the USA the people fear the government. In many other places, the government fears the people.
Uh, these rules were pushed through by our brothers and sisters at ALPA
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ALPA, submitted supplemental comments Thursday to the FAA urging the regulator to dismiss groundless stall tactics by some in industry and issue the flight- and duty-time regulations and minimum rest requirements for airline pilots that are urgently needed to ensure the safety of air transportation.
“Over the past two years, the FAA, the airlines, and airline employees have joined together in a tremendous effort to develop flight- and duty-time regulations and minimum rest requirements for airline pilots that are based on sound science,” said Capt. Lee Moak, ALPA’s president. “No justification exists for delaying the result of this unprecedented collaboration when new rules are needed now to safeguard passengers, crews, and cargo.”
“Over the past two years, the FAA, the airlines, and airline employees have joined together in a tremendous effort to develop flight- and duty-time regulations and minimum rest requirements for airline pilots that are based on sound science,” said Capt. Lee Moak, ALPA’s president. “No justification exists for delaying the result of this unprecedented collaboration when new rules are needed now to safeguard passengers, crews, and cargo.”
WASHINGTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Capt. Lee Moak, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), issued the following statement after the release of the Federal Aviation Administration’s final regulations regarding airline pilot flight- and duty-time limitations and minimum rest requirements.
“Today’s pilot fatigue rule release marks historic progress in what must be an unrelenting commitment to ensuring the highest safety standards throughout the airline industry. The Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), is gratified that the Department of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administration have delivered on their pledge, and a Congressional mandate, to issue new flight- and duty-time regulations and minimum rest requirements for airline pilots.
“For decades, ALPA has fought for regulations that are based on modern science; apply equally to all types of airline operations, including domestic, international, and supplemental; and enable air carriers to establish Fatigue Risk Management Systems. Among its most recent actions to combat pilot fatigue, ALPA co-chaired the FAA’s Aviation Rulemaking Committee, which made recommendations to the government regarding this important rule, with the determined goal of advancing safety.
“Today’s pilot fatigue rule release marks historic progress in what must be an unrelenting commitment to ensuring the highest safety standards throughout the airline industry. The Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), is gratified that the Department of Transportation and the Federal Aviation Administration have delivered on their pledge, and a Congressional mandate, to issue new flight- and duty-time regulations and minimum rest requirements for airline pilots.
“For decades, ALPA has fought for regulations that are based on modern science; apply equally to all types of airline operations, including domestic, international, and supplemental; and enable air carriers to establish Fatigue Risk Management Systems. Among its most recent actions to combat pilot fatigue, ALPA co-chaired the FAA’s Aviation Rulemaking Committee, which made recommendations to the government regarding this important rule, with the determined goal of advancing safety.
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In the USA the people fear the government. In many other places, the government fears the people.
Sorry to get off topic but I had to say it....
As far as the new rest rules, as complicated as they may be, won't they actually increase the demand for flight crews? Any increase in the demand for flight crews is good for flight crews regardless of if there is any positive impact on safety (which would be nice too but only time will tell).
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How does one keep track of 168 hours looking forward and back?
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Ah, the same way you keep track of 7 days under the old rule?
Not true, 168 hrs is not the same as 7 calendar days. While 7 days may be as much as 168 hrs, it can be a much as 169 hrs if you have a DST to STD transition. Also with the old rules the clock starts only at midnight, so if you have a flight that ends at 13:00 the old 30 in 7 rule would only need to look back 157 hrs, with the new rule it is always a consistent 168 hr lookback.
Instead of 30 hrs block in 7 you could be limited by 60 hrs of FDP in 168.
With respect to the weekly rest, under 121 it was 24 in 7, a full consecutive 24 hrs free of duty must be able to be found, now under 117 the new rule is 30 in 168, look back from the start of any FDP (or reserve) 168 hrs, you must be able to find a 30 hour rest period within the 168 hrs, an easier way is to see when the last 30 hour rest period ended, if it is more than 138 hrs to the start of the FDP, you can't go. (138 = 168 - 30).
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How does one keep track of 168 hours looking forward and back?
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Ah, the same way you keep track of 7 days under the old rule?
Not true, 168 hrs is not the same as 7 calendar days. While 7 days may be as much as 168 hrs, it can be a much as 169 hrs if you have a DST to STD transition. Also with the old rules the clock starts only at midnight, so if you have a flight that ends at 13:00 the old 30 in 7 rule would only need to look back 157 hrs, with the new rule it is always a consistent 168 hr lookback.
Instead of 30 hrs block in 7 you could be limited by 60 hrs of FDP in 168.
With respect to the weekly rest, under 121 it was 24 in 7, a full consecutive 24 hrs free of duty must be able to be found, now under 117 the new rule is 30 in 168, look back from the start of any FDP (or reserve) 168 hrs, you must be able to find a 30 hour rest period within the 168 hrs, an easier way is to see when the last 30 hour rest period ended, if it is more than 138 hrs to the start of the FDP, you can't go. (138 = 168 - 30).
Its all here:
far117understanding.wordpress.com
