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Old 10th Oct 2008, 14:23
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FAA looks at videos taken in cockpits

The FAA is investigating videos posted on youtube, made by pilots inflight. This article is worth a read if you have any posted online...

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The Federal Aviation Administration has begun scrutinizing YouTube videos taken from the cockpits ...

With the exception of filming for training, it is against federal regulations for pilots or passengers to use such devices during takeoffs and landings, as they could interfere with instrument and landing system navigation radios.
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Old 10th Oct 2008, 18:42
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I knew they would-eventually I didn't think folks could continue to videotape---

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Old 10th Oct 2008, 21:20
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Some people in FAA got nothing better to do, but finding ways to be more pain in the ass. Unfortunately US is becoming more like the rest of the world.

If FAA really makes this a solid policy I must say only dumb ass who can't get a real job goes to work for FAA and thats why they are grumpy enough to make this kind of non sense into a rule.

The other day this FAA inspector told me he was all scared one day because his next seat passanger a middle easten young man was all interested in airplane. I asked him dude is it not ok for a middle eastern kid to like airplanes just like you do? He didn't say anything.

I'm sure there are some great people working for FAA, but some really need to put their grumpiness aside and stop making everybody elses life crappy.

Where I from aviation administration is such pain in the butt that people don't even bother flying. I see US is slowly going that route.
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Old 11th Oct 2008, 06:11
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§ 91.21 Portable electronic devices.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the following U.S.-registered civil aircraft:
(1) Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating certificate or an operating certificate; or
(2) Any other aircraft while it is operated under IFR.
(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to—
(1) Portable voice recorders;
(2) Hearing aids;
(3) Heart pacemakers;
(4) Electric shavers; or
(5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used.
  • VFR video taping is legal, in all portions of flight, as long as it's a Part 91 flight.
  • AC 91-21 clearly states that the determination of non-interference for a non-commercial operator may be made by the PIC. It further states the reasoning on the "recommended practice" of not using during taxi, take-off, and landing is personal safety of passengers, not EMI interference. It's also "exempt" (per the AC) if used for training or instructional purposes.
  • For IFR ops, you would have to comply with Appendix A of AC 91-5. There are a lot of technical emission criteria in there that I can't explain, but it would seem that the comparison of FCC emissions sticker on the device with the requirements in the appendix may give a technical basis for use.
  • Clearly, someone, in some FSDO, has a wild hair. They should be embracing this as the poor-man's CVR/FDR or evidence for YouTubes showing violations.
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Old 11th Oct 2008, 17:21
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If it's OK for training, just tape stuff in "training mode" so it doesn't cause interference!
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Old 11th Oct 2008, 18:13
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Unfortunately US is becoming more like the rest of the world.
Your right! Now we got whiny F/O's who think just becuz they have tip toed 50 miles across the border in a "Slob wish it was an A340 (saab 340)" they know a little bit more about the rest of the world. The FAA is by no means strict, evidence of this fact are the flight experience recency requirements

Where I from aviation administration is such pain in the butt that people don't even bother flying.
............................................................ .....nobody in their right mind would ever....EVER....take a video of their autopilot flying skills with an inspector or cheif pilot or FAA rep in the jumpseat so why do it at all? especially when your doing a CAT III approach! or maybe when, I don't know....the 300+ people behind you think you're doing something important
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Old 12th Oct 2008, 14:27
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Originally Posted by tbavprof
VFR video taping is legal, in all portions of flight, as long as it's a Part 91 flight...
They should be embracing this as the poor-man's CVR/FDR or evidence for YouTubes showing violations.

tbavprof - thanks for your post. Please keep in mind that this is a forum for professional pilots - the original article refers to specifically Airline (pt 121) operations (Horizon Air).
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Ironically, The Friendly Aviation Administration is the same agency that would like to put cameras in the cockpit for, and I quote. "accident investigation purposes only"

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Old 8th Nov 2008, 22:10
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"Ironically, The Friendly Aviation Administration is the same agency that would like to put cameras in the cockpit for, and I quote. "accident investigation purposes only"

Be fair, they would be hard mounted and automatically controlled, not in the hand of some Cecil B DeMille wannabe, who, I would have thought, should be doing something a bit more aeroplane minded during the operating period when many of these videos seem to be shot.
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Old 8th Nov 2008, 22:41
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Video from the cockpit

Probably made by over-enthusiastic junior F/O who wants to show buddies how he lands the 737.
I do not think any Cat.IIIb approach is shown. Nothing to see... right...?
They often are showing the runway landing in VMC conditions.
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Long ago, a F/E did tape me while flying my 747 on the "Cherkerboard" in HKG.
Of course in 1992, my camera was not digital.
Those of us still flying classic airplanes are probably low risk with old steam-powered gages.
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My concern is strictly having a F/O not ready to "take-over" during a takeoff or landing.
So, if the someone is shooting a camera from the jump seat... not much to worry about.
To the bad guys here: hide the registration/selcal from appearing on your tape...!
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