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For a SE ATP it does NOT need to be done in a complex SE aircraft. The PTS will provide the practical test requirements. Plus a ME ATP can be done in a light twin aircraft. Any type rating you hold on your FAA certificate will be transferred over to your new ATP, with not Commercial Pilot limitations. The reasoning on that is that type ratings on FAA certificates are done to ATP standards. All the aircraft has to be capable of doing is the maneuvers and the approaches required by the PTS.
As for the SIC performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of the PIC is a very gray area. I would say that if you were not PIC typed in the aircraft, then the supervised PIC time, might not be valid. This regulation was written long before ICAO jammed the SIC type rating down our throats.
Concerning the oral exam, the big items are systems, emergency procedures, CRM, ADM and regulations.
As for the SIC performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of the PIC is a very gray area. I would say that if you were not PIC typed in the aircraft, then the supervised PIC time, might not be valid. This regulation was written long before ICAO jammed the SIC type rating down our throats.
Concerning the oral exam, the big items are systems, emergency procedures, CRM, ADM and regulations.
"As for the SIC performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of the PIC is a very gray area. I would say that if you were not PIC typed in the aircraft, then the supervised PIC time, might not be valid. This regulation was written long before ICAO jammed the SIC type rating down our throats."
Read 61.159. It says "(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof..."
There isn't a tradition in the US of having the PIC sign the SIC's logbook but if you have 600 hours in multipilot aircraft where you swap legs it shouldn't be too hard to come up with 250 hours.
Read 61.159. It says "(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof..."
There isn't a tradition in the US of having the PIC sign the SIC's logbook but if you have 600 hours in multipilot aircraft where you swap legs it shouldn't be too hard to come up with 250 hours.
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After reading through the whole gamut of replies there still seems to be a lot of confusion on the whole ICAO-FAA conversion requirements.
I seem to be in a rather unique situation as well. Any one with help or info... please do
ICAO ATP with 737ng PIC endorsement 3200 total 510 PIC current
FAA CPL MEIR
Would like to get the FAA ATP with NG PIC endorsement.
Do I need the WHOLE TR course or will a sim check suffice. Any info would be appreciated as the cost difference is quite significant.
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I seem to be in a rather unique situation as well. Any one with help or info... please do
ICAO ATP with 737ng PIC endorsement 3200 total 510 PIC current
FAA CPL MEIR
Would like to get the FAA ATP with NG PIC endorsement.
Do I need the WHOLE TR course or will a sim check suffice. Any info would be appreciated as the cost difference is quite significant.
Regards 76
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ICAO ATP with 737ng PIC endorsement
All you REALLY need as far as FAA is concerned is a signed recommendation on the 8710 and your ATP written - you just have to get someone to sign you off. You already have the required experience per 14CFR61. The full course shouldn't be required.
EDIT ... That's what I get while answering while jetlagged. Actually, 14CFR142 applies as well, and the full course may be required as a part of the operators FAA approval. I don't know. The OP is going to find out for sure and hopefully will update here. Were it a checkride in the actual airplane the previous paragraph would be valid.
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Question? Was told by someone that one can apply to have a rating on ICAO ATPL added to your FAA ATP by submitting an application to Oklahoma, who will seek verification from the issuing country CAA, and if all is in order, the same may be added to the FAA ATP.
Is this true?
Anyone out there done this?
Where do I find this information on FAA website?
I ask because , if this is possible, it would save me a lot of money and headaches adding the rating of a type which I currently fly and have lots of time on.
Thanks.
Is this true?
Anyone out there done this?
Where do I find this information on FAA website?
I ask because , if this is possible, it would save me a lot of money and headaches adding the rating of a type which I currently fly and have lots of time on.
Thanks.
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Icao - Faa Atpl
Hi all, this seems to be place to ask this question ... maybe stupid or not but I need to be clear...
I have a Commercial FAA ME/Instrument Rating, I fly ICAO Commercial as well but with A320 type ratings as F/O.. all of my flying on type has been done on a N tail aircraft using a Special purpose from the FAA ....
My question is simple, is an FAA ATPL considered an ICAO ATPL? I fly as F/O and want to apply for a job in the ME but they require an ICAO ATPL in order to apply, here I wont be given an ICAO ATPL unless I get an upgrade to PIC by the company...and that is years from happening!
So I want to be sure before I go spending any money on getting the FAA ATPL ... the other question is once I have the FAA ATPL can I get my A320 type rating on the license?? is this possible without going through a sim check or similar..???
Thanks a lot...
I have a Commercial FAA ME/Instrument Rating, I fly ICAO Commercial as well but with A320 type ratings as F/O.. all of my flying on type has been done on a N tail aircraft using a Special purpose from the FAA ....
My question is simple, is an FAA ATPL considered an ICAO ATPL? I fly as F/O and want to apply for a job in the ME but they require an ICAO ATPL in order to apply, here I wont be given an ICAO ATPL unless I get an upgrade to PIC by the company...and that is years from happening!
So I want to be sure before I go spending any money on getting the FAA ATPL ... the other question is once I have the FAA ATPL can I get my A320 type rating on the license?? is this possible without going through a sim check or similar..???
Thanks a lot...
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Hi all, this seems to be place to ask this question ... maybe stupid or not but I need to be clear...
I have a Commercial FAA ME/Instrument Rating, I fly ICAO Commercial as well but with A320 type ratings as F/O.. all of my flying on type has been done on a N tail aircraft using a Special purpose from the FAA ....
My question is simple, is an FAA ATPL considered an ICAO ATPL? I fly as F/O and want to apply for a job in the ME but they require an ICAO ATPL in order to apply, here I wont be given an ICAO ATPL unless I get an upgrade to PIC by the company...and that is years from happening!
So I want to be sure before I go spending any money on getting the FAA ATPL ... the other question is once I have the FAA ATPL can I get my A320 type rating on the license?? is this possible without going through a sim check or similar..???
Thanks a lot...
I have a Commercial FAA ME/Instrument Rating, I fly ICAO Commercial as well but with A320 type ratings as F/O.. all of my flying on type has been done on a N tail aircraft using a Special purpose from the FAA ....
My question is simple, is an FAA ATPL considered an ICAO ATPL? I fly as F/O and want to apply for a job in the ME but they require an ICAO ATPL in order to apply, here I wont be given an ICAO ATPL unless I get an upgrade to PIC by the company...and that is years from happening!
So I want to be sure before I go spending any money on getting the FAA ATPL ... the other question is once I have the FAA ATPL can I get my A320 type rating on the license?? is this possible without going through a sim check or similar..???
Thanks a lot...
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For clarification ICAO does not issue licenses/certificates. The term "ICAO ATPL" or "ICAO Commercial" mean certificates/licenses issued by an ICAO "member state." The US is a member state of ICAO so yes, an FAA ATP is an ICAO ATPL.
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Thanks ...that was the clarification I needed, I knew that but wasn't sure ... 
Can a A320 type be added to the FAA ATPL without having to take a sim check and tests...??
Can a A320 type be added to the FAA ATPL without having to take a sim check and tests...??
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Thanks guys ... where on the FAA website is this information, so I know how to do it once I have the FAA ATPL...???
I was planning to take the practical for the ATP @ ATP Flight School in FLL... any thoughts on this? is it a good idea or are there better options out there...?? Any comments will really help me...
I was planning to take the practical for the ATP @ ATP Flight School in FLL... any thoughts on this? is it a good idea or are there better options out there...?? Any comments will really help me...
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If you already hold a type rating, then a checkride or practical test isn't necessary to get it transferred to your FAA certificate.
Not true for PIC.
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so does this mean you can still fly airline as a co-pilot on a FAA com,most icao require at least frozen ATPL
i ask gado office some years ago if i could put my 757 rating pi/p2 caa on my FAA
licence and the said no i need to do sim.since the FAA lic was not issued on the back of another state lic containing the rating
just curious here
i ask gado office some years ago if i could put my 757 rating pi/p2 caa on my FAA
licence and the said no i need to do sim.since the FAA lic was not issued on the back of another state lic containing the rating
just curious here
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Greetings All,
I have an ICAO ATPL (unfrozen) and am fully aware of the TSA/DHS issues surrounding training in the US, and i want to convert to an FAA ATP. I have seen in posts dating back to 2007 suggesting that I would be able to do the theory component first and then wrap up the practical at the same time as doing the intended type rating - this is all working toward a corporate job, the initial type rating would be done at CAE Simuflite or Gulfstream factory.
That being said is anybody aware of recent data that indicates one is able to do the ATP practical and bizjet type rating at the same time? Is there an issue from the perspective of the FAA or maybe even CAE (or the like)?
Grazie.
LGC
I have an ICAO ATPL (unfrozen) and am fully aware of the TSA/DHS issues surrounding training in the US, and i want to convert to an FAA ATP. I have seen in posts dating back to 2007 suggesting that I would be able to do the theory component first and then wrap up the practical at the same time as doing the intended type rating - this is all working toward a corporate job, the initial type rating would be done at CAE Simuflite or Gulfstream factory.
That being said is anybody aware of recent data that indicates one is able to do the ATP practical and bizjet type rating at the same time? Is there an issue from the perspective of the FAA or maybe even CAE (or the like)?
Grazie.
LGC
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LG,
First of all Gulfstream does not run their own factory school. It is actually Flight Safety that has the facility in Savannah.
Iver the years of going to FSI and Simuflite, I have meet many pilots that were doing their ATP in conjunction with their type rating. The Practical Test Standards (PTS) are the same for the type rating and the ATP. However, it appears that you do not have a FAA Commercial. That being the case, I think you will have to check the FAA website for the conversion requirements. If you know which facility you are going to, I suggest calling them as far in advance as you can and get a game plan lined up. This conversion could take some time.
First of all Gulfstream does not run their own factory school. It is actually Flight Safety that has the facility in Savannah.
Iver the years of going to FSI and Simuflite, I have meet many pilots that were doing their ATP in conjunction with their type rating. The Practical Test Standards (PTS) are the same for the type rating and the ATP. However, it appears that you do not have a FAA Commercial. That being the case, I think you will have to check the FAA website for the conversion requirements. If you know which facility you are going to, I suggest calling them as far in advance as you can and get a game plan lined up. This conversion could take some time.
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so does this mean you can still fly airline as a co-pilot on a FAA com,most icao require at least frozen ATPL
i ask gado office some years ago if i could put my 757 rating pi/p2 caa on my FAA
licence and the said no i need to do sim.since the FAA lic was not issued on the back of another state lic containing the rating
just curious here
licence and the said no i need to do sim.since the FAA lic was not issued on the back of another state lic containing the rating
just curious here
New procedure, provided you have sufficient log entries and recent experience, the FAA will now allow an SIC rating (only), even though it was a foreign registered aircraft that the flying was completed on.
I just signed the form for a new First Officer using this procedure three months ago.