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Old 17th Feb 2013, 16:43
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@SK-pilot
To me it seems like I heard it before. "next year we'll turn this ship around" but after 10years of hollow promises from one CEO after another why do you think that this time it'll be different? Don't get me wrong, we all hope that SAS will pull through but I just don't see it.

As for CASK DY's is higher than FR but I don't think it's a 100%.

A man far smarter than me, Lars Brynielsson, did this calculation last spring the numbers are in SEK, sorry cptps, the article is only available in Swedish)

"Kostnadsextrema Ryanair finns i komfortintervallet med CASK 0,25. I överlevnadsintervallet finns easyJet med CASK 0,42 och Norwegian med 0,47. Högre upp finns Airberlin med CASK 0,53, Finnair med 0,50 (0,63 med non-airline kostnader) och SAS med 0,80 (0,91 med non-airline och Spanair kostnader). Norwegian har alltså positionerat sig mellan easyJet och Airberlin." Flygtorget » Flygnyheter » Flygnyheter » Norwegian följer lågkostnadskonceptet

So to answer your quetion, yes, I believe in Norwegian's survival but can only hope for SAS'.

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Old 17th Feb 2013, 19:07
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Well - if FRs 25 vs DYs 47 is not close to "twice" I don't understand what is. Especially when you say that SKs 80 is twice of DYs 47!!!

But I think I leave this thread to the rest of you; When I try to bring some early information regarding recruitment, and it all ends up with the usual "doomsday of SAS" posts I leave the discussion to the rest of you!

Happy flying!
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 00:34
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I see several of you are predicting the doom of SAS in the coming years. I for one sincerely hope that won't be the case.

I'm quite happy with my current employer (it shall remain an anonymous Scandinavian LCC, let's just call it "the flying tampon"), and from our point of view we would like nothing more than to see SAS survive. Why? To be honest, we couldn't ask for a better competitor in our domestic market. We offer two different products which fulfull each other quite well, and i cannot see who would take their place. Ryanair won't do it (once they realize that Avinor can't be bullied into playing the Ryanair game), that's for sure.

There's also one more thing that baffles me. I'm fairly new to the aviation industry and not making anywhere near the numbers you are discussing for SAS captains, but why the focus on what your top salary will be? Isn't it more important that you actually have a decent salary that puts food on the table and a roof over your head, an insurance that covers your family and some sort of a pension fund to cover your later years? Whether you make 800.000 NOK or 1.000.000 NOK seems irrelevant to me, my concern is for the guys and girls making pennies, living out of the suitcases, and with the constant fear of going bankrupt if some drunk idiot decides to hit them with his car on the way back from the pub.

My two cents, i guess.
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 02:59
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@SK-pilot

As an aspiring pilot, about to reach frozen ATPL in a scary pace, i find you thread very motivating. And i agree a political discussion should be held on a thread dedicated to that topic.

On to my question. In your opinion or knowledge inside SAS, what is the likelihood of SAS recruiting low hour pilots over the next few years? I think i know the answer, but i don't know for sure until i ask.

Again thank you for posting about future SAS recruitments. With most of my afternoons being spent researching the job market worldwide, opportunities in my native country are of the rare sort.
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 08:45
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Unless they can manage to downsize management, and streamline efficiency I believe you have to see no way of recovery!

An extreme to show management savings, was Statoil, moving one of their Oslo head offices to one of the Baltic countries, my friend got released from Statoil with a nice final package!

The main point is that very minor savings can be made on flight crew and CC, as without them the company will not work! However major changes has to be done in the way the company is operated on management and admin level, as this is what drains the company of resources, as these levels are not productive enough!

Some have to be let go, some have to work more hours, all for the greater good to make sure the company can survive, in current structure they are dead men walking!

Nobody is brave enough to take the major step that will make it possible to survive!

I have similar and sometimes higher pay as starter FOs will get at SAS, with prospect of doubling my pay within 3 - 4 years!

I do not know who was behind this NEW SAS structure, and found this the right direction to go to try and save the company, and I am assuming pilots union accepted this!

I wonder the existing Cpt's and FO's, what are they on?
How much cuts did they accept in their pre-existing contracts?

And is this just another one of those, let's look after ourselves and our own deals first, and screw the ones coming after us?
Are these the same people screaming the loudest how pilot who join RYR are destroying the industry, and detest RYR for this!

Let's be honest most SAS pilots have been in the top of the food chain, the top earners, who has been given nearly everything for free with massive salary and pension packages!
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 10:15
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I see several of you are predicting the doom of SAS in the coming years. I for one sincerely hope that won't be the case.

I'm quite happy with my current employer (it shall remain an anonymous Scandinavian LCC, let's just call it "the flying tampon"), and from our point of view we would like nothing more than to see SAS survive. Why? To be honest, we couldn't ask for a better competitor in our domestic market. We offer two different products which fulfull each other quite well, and i cannot see who would take their place. Ryanair won't do it (once they realize that Avinor can't be bullied into playing the Ryanair game), that's for sure.

There's also one more thing that baffles me. I'm fairly new to the aviation industry and not making anywhere near the numbers you are discussing for SAS captains, but why the focus on what your top salary will be? Isn't it more important that you actually have a decent salary that puts food on the table and a roof over your head, an insurance that covers your family and some sort of a pension fund to cover your later years? Whether you make 800.000 NOK or 1.000.000 NOK seems irrelevant to me, my concern is for the guys and girls making pennies, living out of the suitcases, and with the constant fear of going bankrupt if some drunk idiot decides to hit them with his car on the way back from the pub.

My two cents, i guess.
I agree with you. We should be more worried about the low end of this industry then the top. It is creeping up and salaries there are being lowered to almost nothing with most benefits gone. Most worrying though is the airlines use young pilots who have to pay for all their training and accept little or no salary at all... Tough luck for them you might think but what if we were suddenly out of a job. The airlines would then to chose between hiring us or someone willing to pay for everything. Who do you think they would chose?
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 10:43
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The discussion regarding terms and conditions SK/DY/RYR or whatever should be kept in a separate thread.

SK-Pilot:

What are the latest number on recruitment? The 40 or so originally posted by you seem to vary from week to week depending on who you ask inside SAS.

At first I understood SAS would release 50 FC on LOA to Etihad but that number has then dereased as far as I know. Some 50 F/Os were set for upgrade quite early this spring but it now seems that the schedule for upgrades has been postponed some time, again.

The (increased) wet-lease of Blue1, Braathens Regional and Cimber over the summer seem to have also reduced the number of crew needed at SAS. What will happen after the summer, especielly with KF, I suppose would also have an impact on long-term (2-3 years) need for new hires.

As far as I understand the last time (Q1-2 -12?) re-hiring took place left about 25-30 pilots on the list from 2003. A couple of weeks ago all pilots that has their application in at "Former SAS Pilot" were asked to update their application and to let SAS know if they were no longer interested in coming back. Still though, there should be an unknown number of former SAS-pilots that have earlier turned down rehiring that might change thir mind. Given the new T&C's I don't see that happening though. There are probably a few on the list that will go back to SAS, but will there be enough for what is needed in 2013?
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Old 18th Feb 2013, 20:57
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I can inform you truckflyer that 1000 persons in management will be fired this year, that ALL concessions was equally distributed among ALL pilots, that there is a fixed pay cut and reduction in days off for ALL pilots, AND that the last (upper) 5 steps on our pay scale were removed for ALL pilots.

Clearly there are no administrators cleaning up "off topic" posts in this thread, and what from my side was meant to be a information to pilots who are interested in applying for a position in SAS has turned out to be a thread for pilots who for some reason are pissed off at SAS.

That was not my intention, so as I tried to do earlier; this is the last post from my side in this thread.
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Old 19th Feb 2013, 04:53
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SK-pilot, my intentions were not to rain on your parade, but if SK is hiring pilots a healthy discussion about it's future is in place as the number of pilots needed will be a direct result of the 4XNG plan that was set in to motion late last year.
As for the CASK that I mentioned in my previous post, they were from last March and that's why I wrote "think" as the numbers for 2012 are yet to be announced. SK says when asked about future CASK they believe that they will reach 0.54 SEK by 2015. If they succeed SAS will have a very bright future.
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Old 19th Feb 2013, 05:13
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Bfisk; what I meant is no government is yet challenging the companies like RyR, Norwegian etc., with regards to these contracts! It's easy to put pressure on the soft targets, with small resources, the pilots, only when some of the bigger nations puts pressure on companies like Ryanair will this have a real impact!

However unless it will be an unified approach it will not be easy to change this!

Maybe it will take more time, when also other industries start adopting this same approach!

As mentioned by onebyone and wesker, it is less relevant what TOP salary will be, rather an adaptation to a better average salary all the way, an a lower top salary!
End of the day, if correctly constructed it will end up the same, just you get to be able to live a life before you become 50!

Also what is current FO salary for somebody who has been with the company for 5 years or more?

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Old 19th Feb 2013, 08:06
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SK-Pilot:
If you get more news about the recruitment, please feel free to PM me, as I would not hesitate to join SAS, if I get the offer.
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Old 19th Feb 2013, 13:33
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Jean-Pierre, many of us would love to work for SAS, the dilemma is how long will they last, until you maybe wish you had not moved to SAS!

About living in a foreign country, not speaking the language, learn it!
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 16:19
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SK-pilot, please return!

I really enjoyed all the info you provided SK-pilot, thank you!! If you have time please give us an update.

truckflyer and Hank the F/C, I hope you enjoyed ruining one of the few usefull threads on PPRuNe with your unwanted opinions and easily accessible info. Everybody reading this knows that if you join now you are either king of the hill or unemployed in 15 years Few pepole however, knows what goes on behind the scenes. Please find something better to do an let SK-pilot and his colleagues get on with it!

Regards
Someone who wants to leave MOL-land

P.S. truckflyer the new SFO pay on Storm contract is 70,5 euro/h
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 17:14
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Yes alot of the piethrowing could have been another thread. I heard that time is up for people wishing to return. Let's hope for some good news soon
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 00:17
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Spring recruitment?

Any news about the recuitment of new pilots in SAS? Did all the former SAS-pilots accept to come back or what is happening?

Take care / S
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 13:14
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New Pay-scale.

Received the new pay-scale few weeks ago and then nothing. So if anyone has more info please post it.
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 13:31
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New payscale?

Can you send me the new payscale? Would be VERY interesting to see that one.
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Old 1st Mar 2013, 13:33
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Or better yet, can somebody post it here?
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 07:23
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Official Channels

Hi Jean. I got it from the official channels (SAS)....
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Old 2nd Mar 2013, 10:26
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Payscale

Can you share it somehow? Would be very appreciated.
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