stupidlikeafox

bfisk, tenkte vel mer på airwing ang den typen.

onebyone

You're assuming that these "rejects" were fired because of their lack of skill, which i think it's safe to say had nothing to do with it. All pilots accepted into SAS / BU met the required standard, i would assume that seniority etc would play a bigger role in who got fired.

There's really no way of telling how a person will do in these tests (at least with "proper" tests like they use in the air force etc), so there's really no way of knowing if the "old folks" would do better or worse than the "new guys". And why would they have to test every pilot currently employed by Norwegian? We're talking about testing applicants, not current staff. Perhaps it would be more "fair" if everyone, including currently employed pilots, had to undergo these tests, but like several previous posters have already said; "fair" doesn't enter into the equation.

BBJ King

SAS/ Ex BU pilots were not fired. They were made redundant and had to go because of cutbacks. (Crappy management which should be fired)
Most of them will shortly be invited back to the company.

BBJ King

Or those who failed the SAS tests, joined BU and made 300 SAS pilots redundant. Worked for SAS, lost their jobs and now working for DY. Failed their upgrade and flying as FO's for CAPTs with dodgy background and minimum experience.

It's a nasty world isn't it?
And who made this possible? YOU and ME for constantly accepting eroding T&C's.

8ah

One can not other than be impressed with the ****t being said here.... No mater what one say ... Aptitude testing or other means is just one way of making an assesment of a candidate or selection prossess... call it what you like... It does not make you more or less qualified than the other. It just tells whether you fitt in this or that mold....

Brainiacs here ... have a look at the bigest airlines in the world and their hiring prosess... No brainer ... more or less the same way as DY... Personaly I made both SK and WF assesment ... and guess what ... I am starting now in DY ... By faar the best intervue I ever had ... Compared to the Psyko WF ballgame outdated old bull****t wich all and everybody have a copy off ....

Aviation key is, and will always be ... Luck, skills and who you know ...

dire straits

Nei nei nei,
Jeg diskuterer gjerne sak men på et saklig nivå. Som jeg ser det så er det mange her som mener at de fortjener ett intervju hos DY fordi de har en CPL, like mange mener de fortjener intervju fordi de har erfaring. DY tar inn en god blanding, men Svært få uten intern anbefaling. Denne anbefalingen er noe DY vil ha fordi de mener at de nå har en god gruppe piloter. Jeg vil aldri anbefale noen jeg ikke kjenner godt og trives med, noen som ikke har samme type humor som meg, noen jeg vil føle jeg kan jobbe godt med som i tillegg kan fly. Møtes disse kriterier får jeg en god kollega som jeg gjerne anbefaler uavhengig av erfaringsnivå. DY sier 4500 søkere, det er BS. Men la oss si at de har 450 reelle søkere til 150 stillinger, ja da tar de noen som kan anbefales av noen som de allerede kjenner. Deretter gjøres en god sjekkerunde på kandidaten via venners venner etc., miljøet er fremdeles såpass lite at det går an å finne ut masse på den måten-ting som en aptitude test aldri ville avsløre. Det finnes mange med flere anbefalinger som aldri vil få intervju av den grunn!
Så vidt meg bekjent var det vel heller aldri noen aptitude-test i BU, og veldig mange gren på nesen da SAS startet med to-dagers SIAP-tester betalt av kandidaten til kr.5000,-.
Om jeg starter en airline ville jeg aldri ansette en cockpitslave jeg visste lite om, meg bekjent bruker DY relativt store ressurser på bakgrunnsjekking. At de nå har delt inn søknader i flere typer FO skyldes nok heller det at de IKKE har 4500 søkere som møter deres krav, tror ikke de har 450 stk engang-kanskje 200 kvalifiserte. Ser det som positivt at det ikke nødvendigvis er krav om T/R, om man så må starte på en litt lavere lønn er vel det greit, er det ikke?

Init-Refpage

Jeg har RIMELIG gode kilder som slår ihjel dine estimater på antall søkere hos oss


"At de nå har delt inn søknader i flere typer FO skyldes nok heller det at de IKKE har 4500 søkere som møter deres krav, tror ikke de har 450 stk engang-kanskje 200 kvalifiserte. "

berserker

Men med kravet om skandinavisk språk så kan de da ikke ha 4500 kvalifiserte søkere, eller er det virkelig så mange folk som er uten jobb eller har lyst på ny der ute?
Men enig at 200 høres vel lite ut ja

minimumunstick

Er det noen som kan si meg hvor mye betydning det har å snakke norsk eller evt et annet skandinavisk språk flytende?

Finnes det mange flygere Norwegian som ikke snakker et skandinavisk språk? Og er det sannsynlig at de foretrekker en med masse 737 erfaring uten skandinavisk språk fremfor en med bare GA erfaring og kanskje en 737 rating f.eks men som er norsk?

The Swedish Virgin

BBJ King

Spot on. The only way to stop the never ending eroding T&C:s in this industry is to set "park brake on"
What the DY management is trying to do here is a classic divide and conquer and if the union can´t see it then this will be the beginning of the end for the half decent T&C:s the DY pilots are enjoying at the moment. It is not the young guys with MPL:s fault, they would be happy to fly "rubber dog **** out of hong kong" but they will of course be more than happy to jump in that shiny 737 if we let them. This is how the european low cost industry is trying to flood the market with cheap labour. Why pay an experienced FO when they can get one that will work for free.
Norwegian is no better than eJ, Ryan, Wizz. . .
Never applied to DY, don´t think I ever will, just looking out for our T&C:s

Good luck

It will be interesting to see what the deal will be for the 300 ex-SAS pilots when invited back. Anything less than the ex BU pilots would be disgusting and just another proof than the union is only looking after themself.

BoeingDreamer

I do not know why the new requirements are on their website, because I know from a very reliable source, that they do not take pilots with less than 1500 hours total time, exception if much time is on 737, they might accept you with less.

So I am surprised with this on their website. I think they might just be doing some marketing research to see if it would be possible to make something similar the Ryan air model, or??

harry-seaside

Hi sliper,

Im curious about your source about the cadet program.
do you work at norwegian that you know this for a fact?

I have just send my cv and Im a youn ab-initio wannabe cadet with <240hours.
So if those stories are correct, it is very good news for me!

Do some of you guys have any info regarding to the waiting period, Last week I received an email saying they would review my application.

And are there guys like me around this website that are being invited by nas?

thnx guys!

BoeingDreamer

There is no cadet program with Norwegian now, or within the near future. Again why it is on their website at the moment, is beyond me, but I have from a top source that at the moment this is not an option. No pilots below 1500 hours, will be employed at the moment, and it is preferred that most of this time is on type 737.

I guess they might be testing the waters for this, since they are setting this on their site, and things might change, but from my source it is very unlikely any changes will be any time soon, definitely not this year!

Init-Refpage

Sliper, I`m sorry to say this, but I work for Norwegian and what you are saying is pure BS!

harry-seaside

Hi Init-Refpage,

Since you are working at norwegian.
Can you explain why the hours needed to apply at nas have dropped to ab-initio level like myself?
Is there a shortage of first officers this year/next year?

Grtz
the guy at the seaside

BoeingDreamer

harry-seaside - Did you read what I wrote before and Init-Refpage, there is NO CADET program, and they are not hiring LOW HOUR pilots, why it is on the website I don't know, but at the moment this is not happening.

Anyone who thinks they will get a job at the moment with low hours are wrong, there is no chance of that now at the moment. Maybe this changes in the future, but not an issue at the moment.

A contact I have has told me, get hours on type, and apply then, at least close to 1200 hours on type to have a chance to get in.

harry-seaside

Yeah 1200 hours on type is what I thought.
I was just wondering if anybody knew the fact why low houred guys can apply now.
I mean, if you dont need the guys, why ask for them?

BBJ King

Those 1200 hrs on type must be on any type....

Guttn

1. They could just be researching how many pilots without their previous requirements would apply, = planning ahead
or...
2. Their website has been hacked

Dickcheesecake

.or changes in training dept, like a new training manager etc. Who knows...