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Hanguren, I don`t think that NAS salaries are at an industry low. In Norway they compare quite well to the other carriers, and working 13 days less each year means that the pilots earn more money any given day than before. This doesn`t really drag them down, does it? But....
Dovregubben, calculating with percentage is interesting. I`ll take your word for it when you say the effective increase is 13,4%. But at the same time you need to mention that this is compared with your previous t&cs which required more working days. What is important is how much your earn per annum
And that should be a 3,9% increase, no? But of course, getting paid more for less days of porduction is always a good deal
Dovregubben, calculating with percentage is interesting. I`ll take your word for it when you say the effective increase is 13,4%. But at the same time you need to mention that this is compared with your previous t&cs which required more working days. What is important is how much your earn per annum
And that should be a 3,9% increase, no? But of course, getting paid more for less days of porduction is always a good deal
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The salary increase could of course have been better (couldnt it always?), but in the extraordinary situation we find ourselves I think it's resonible.
And some of you make it sound like the pay is at McDonalds level. NAS have a very good startpay (most join at paygrade 4 or 5), better than most (all?) our LCC competitors. The top captain's pay could be a bit higher, and I'm sure we'll get there eventually.
Overall I think the deal was pretty good, all things considered: 5-4 (and dont forget we're home every night)and a pay increase. I'll take it! Then we'll see what happens down the road. I'm sure it'll be a bumpy ride for most of us. Let's just hope and pray the oilprices come down.
And some of you make it sound like the pay is at McDonalds level. NAS have a very good startpay (most join at paygrade 4 or 5), better than most (all?) our LCC competitors. The top captain's pay could be a bit higher, and I'm sure we'll get there eventually.
Overall I think the deal was pretty good, all things considered: 5-4 (and dont forget we're home every night)and a pay increase. I'll take it! Then we'll see what happens down the road. I'm sure it'll be a bumpy ride for most of us. Let's just hope and pray the oilprices come down.
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A good example is a friend of mine joining the company a good year back. aprox. 1800 hrs TT. Started at level 4, now at 5 with 509.000,- + 100.000 extras + pension scheme and full incurence. Not bad for a 25 year old.
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Norwegian vil gi opsjoner for lønnskutt ( Børs og finans , Norwegian Air Shuttle )
Or maybe this is the beginning of the end?
Or maybe this is the beginning of the end?
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...last time they tried this emplyee stock option scheme, they ended up in a legal battle with the employees who took the bait. The company lost, but is still holding on to the money owed to the employees. I bet that will inspire many to go for a paycut in return for stock options in a company heading for bancruptcy (maybe)? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!
The new deal is ok. Especially the part about working 13 days less per year ;-)
The new deal is ok. Especially the part about working 13 days less per year ;-)
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YouŽre right about the scheme from 2002. It ended up in the courtroom. Anyway, the deal proved to be a good one, just a tiny little fraction of the shares was subject to the legal battle. A lot of pilots made a really good lump on that deal.
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Beer make you (me...) angry, so I must agree (with only a few beers aboard) that Norwegian is not all that bad...:
1. The starting salary in Norwegian is good.
2. The salary increase combined with the additional days is quite good.
3. One could expect worse, considering the oil prices....................
BUT: You can fly ambulance flights, helicopter services and 37 seat turboprops in Norway with much better conditions than in a company operation a dual number amount of 737s.
AND: Norwegian have one of the lowest top-salary levels (ex; captain after 15 years of service) in the whole industry in Europe.
So; Okay, I may have been a bit angry, but I am still pissed off about unions which lower our conditions below the LH,. BA, AF, KL and SK level. That is MY privilege, and then you may critisise me as much as you want;
That is YOUR privilege....
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1. The starting salary in Norwegian is good.
2. The salary increase combined with the additional days is quite good.
3. One could expect worse, considering the oil prices....................
BUT: You can fly ambulance flights, helicopter services and 37 seat turboprops in Norway with much better conditions than in a company operation a dual number amount of 737s.
AND: Norwegian have one of the lowest top-salary levels (ex; captain after 15 years of service) in the whole industry in Europe.
So; Okay, I may have been a bit angry, but I am still pissed off about unions which lower our conditions below the LH,. BA, AF, KL and SK level. That is MY privilege, and then you may critisise me as much as you want;
That is YOUR privilege....
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Er det fritid man er ute etter er vel LT en ganske klar vinner. Der jobbes det for tiden 12/16. Dersom Subpart Q (kuk) går igjennom, blir det nok 7-7-7-14. Helt klart en dårligere deal...men likevel myye fritid. Payscale FO, trinn 2 passerer man lett 550k med litt fridagssalg.,....my 2 cents
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Men poenget er vel at det fortsatt er pendlervennlig Og det ser ut til at lønna også er god. 7-7-7-14 betyr vel egentlig at i den perioden jobber man totalt 14 dager og har 21 dager fri. Noe som gir lit mere fri enn 12-16, dog ikke like mange sammenhengende fridager. Blir smak og behag, men LT er iallefall en sikker arbeidsgiver og de betaler bra
Og det ser ut til at lønna også er god. 7-7-7-14 betyr vel egentlig at i den perioden jobber man totalt 14 dager og har 21 dager fri. Noe som gir lit mere fri enn 12-16, dog ikke like mange sammenhengende fridager. Blir smak og behag, men LT er iallefall en sikker arbeidsgiver og de betaler bra
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Quote:
...550k med litt fridagssalg...
" men da er det vel ikke akkurat 12/16 lenger, er det? "
Det har du rett i. Men poenget var vel at man har store muligheter til å bytte litt fritid mot penger, hvis man vil...
men....nå var vel dette opprinnelig en tråd om Sterling..?!
...550k med litt fridagssalg...
" men da er det vel ikke akkurat 12/16 lenger, er det? "
Det har du rett i. Men poenget var vel at man har store muligheter til å bytte litt fritid mot penger, hvis man vil...
men....nå var vel dette opprinnelig en tråd om Sterling..?!
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Ja fritid uten overtid og lønn ikludert overtid er en vinner!
Subpart Q vil begrense mulighet for overtid i alle selskap meget kraftig.
Still detaljere spørsmål hvis arbeidsgiver oppgir betaling inkl tillegg. Grunnlønn, overtid, nåværende schedule, ny schedule, effekt av subpart Q, diett, diett dager man ikke kalles ut ? etc. Ellers er det ikke mulig å sammenligne flere tilbud. Fremstillinen kan være en blanding av det beste av det nye og det beste av det gamle (som ikke lar seg kombinere) for å pynte kaka maksimalt.
Gjelder alle selskap!
Subpart Q vil begrense mulighet for overtid i alle selskap meget kraftig.
Still detaljere spørsmål hvis arbeidsgiver oppgir betaling inkl tillegg. Grunnlønn, overtid, nåværende schedule, ny schedule, effekt av subpart Q, diett, diett dager man ikke kalles ut ? etc. Ellers er det ikke mulig å sammenligne flere tilbud. Fremstillinen kan være en blanding av det beste av det nye og det beste av det gamle (som ikke lar seg kombinere) for å pynte kaka maksimalt.
Gjelder alle selskap!
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16.juli har passert. Hvorfor snakkes det fortsatt om at EU-OPS PART Q vil eller kommer til å endre ting?
Beech Driver, du skrev idag (20 juli) "Dersom Subpart Q (kuk) går igjennom". Implementering ble gjort for 4 dager siden; betyr det at Lufttransport pr.idag ikke har signert samsvarserklæringen og dermed fått fornyet sin AOC? I så fall, på hvilket grunnlag opererer dere da?
Beech Driver, du skrev idag (20 juli) "Dersom Subpart Q (kuk) går igjennom". Implementering ble gjort for 4 dager siden; betyr det at Lufttransport pr.idag ikke har signert samsvarserklæringen og dermed fått fornyet sin AOC? I så fall, på hvilket grunnlag opererer dere da?
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Cloud surfer, dette har mest sannsynlig å gjøre med søknad om disp og behandlingstid av denne. Kanskje også behandlingstid ved evt klagesak. Juli er som kjent ferietid, og da går byråkratiet om mulig enda tregere enn normalt
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The bull**** continues. The start salary in DY is higher that LT,WIF or whatever. During the years you will have earned more money in DY than in any of the mentioned.
About 80-90 pilots started in DY 3-5 years back, where 85% of these started at 475.000. After 3 years almost all of these got their command upgrade and now are paid fixed 832.000-854.000 + extras.
When they look at their monthly paycheck details, under
7999 ** Totale ytelser **, the numbers are approx. 80.000,- +.
If they work extra days, they are paid 9.638,- + 684,- per diem (9hr + shift) 10.322 a day.
Not industri top but gaining EVERY YEAR.
About 80-90 pilots started in DY 3-5 years back, where 85% of these started at 475.000. After 3 years almost all of these got their command upgrade and now are paid fixed 832.000-854.000 + extras.
When they look at their monthly paycheck details, under
7999 ** Totale ytelser **, the numbers are approx. 80.000,- +.
If they work extra days, they are paid 9.638,- + 684,- per diem (9hr + shift) 10.322 a day.
Not industri top but gaining EVERY YEAR.
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Cloud surfer, dette har mest sannsynlig å gjøre med søknad om disp og behandlingstid av denne. Kanskje også behandlingstid ved evt klagesak. Juli er som kjent ferietid, og da går byråkratiet om mulig enda tregere enn normalt
Når det gjelder en mulig klagesak, så gikk høringsfristen ut den 15. desember 2007. Det var muligheten til å klage.
Men så er ikke jeg byråkrat. Noen som kan forklare meg det hele? Ta gjerne med noe linjer om Sterling for å sy den tråden videre....
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