Pilot Severely Sanctioned For Speaking In Support Of Attacks On US.
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That is such total crap.
What is going on in the west bank is 200 kids get together to throw rocks at soldiers. In the midst of the 200 kids are one to two Palestinian snipers shooting real bullets at the Isreali soldiers.
The Isreali soldiers return fire on the sniper and many more times than not, get the sniper and no one else. Unfortunately it doesn't work out that way all the time and children and others (none of whom are "innocent") are hit. Innocent children wouldn't be out throwing rocks at soldiers and participating in these demonstrations. They are well organized and planned in advance. Innoncent people stay home.
I honestly think the Isrealis are going about it the wrong way now. I think sniper fire should be returned with ARTILERY. Make martyrs out of the whole lot in one shot.
I blame the parents and clerics who preach the hate. All to get one picture to parade around sky TV or BBC or whatever to drum up support for their side.
Snipers Hiding behind children doens't make them less dangerous. Snipers MUST be dealt with.
Wino
What is going on in the west bank is 200 kids get together to throw rocks at soldiers. In the midst of the 200 kids are one to two Palestinian snipers shooting real bullets at the Isreali soldiers.
The Isreali soldiers return fire on the sniper and many more times than not, get the sniper and no one else. Unfortunately it doesn't work out that way all the time and children and others (none of whom are "innocent") are hit. Innocent children wouldn't be out throwing rocks at soldiers and participating in these demonstrations. They are well organized and planned in advance. Innoncent people stay home.
I honestly think the Isrealis are going about it the wrong way now. I think sniper fire should be returned with ARTILERY. Make martyrs out of the whole lot in one shot.
I blame the parents and clerics who preach the hate. All to get one picture to parade around sky TV or BBC or whatever to drum up support for their side.
Snipers Hiding behind children doens't make them less dangerous. Snipers MUST be dealt with.
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Of course I'm sure that if you look real close at the pictures and the video above you can see that,.... hold on a minute, neither father nor son had a gun, and both where surrounded by.... a large high wall (veritably sitting ducks)..... still I suppose that they were in the neighbourhood and being Palestinians deserved to die - at least according to you credence - you're not Jewish are you ?!
Now following your logic through, does that then give me the right to 'waste' a few of those Oirish Americans who've funded terrorism on the streets of the UK ?
Now following your logic through, does that then give me the right to 'waste' a few of those Oirish Americans who've funded terrorism on the streets of the UK ?
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5By5,
I agree with you about the Irish-Americans who fund the IRA, I have stated in this forum before that I hope this war on terrorism will combat all terrorism including the IRA. The part about dropping bombs from 5 miles high is pure rubbish...its called utilizing your resources and fighting smart...and whatever "collateral" damage occurs in the Afghan conflict, there will be only one person to Blame and he isn't American, can you guess who he may be? Just like many who blame the US for killing all those innocent Japanese civillians in Hiroshima......the guys who bommbed Pearl Harbor were ultimately responsible. If I lived in Afghanistan and my kid was killed by a "Daisy cutter" I'd be looking for Osama, for causing all this grief. America rarely starts wars, just finishes them! along with our courageous allies of course! and by the way never in the history of warfare has a war been prosecuted with the utmost care not to inflict damage on innocent civilians, unlike others who perpetrate their idea of war aginst only innocent civilians. Or others who use little kids and woman to hide behind.
I agree with you about the Irish-Americans who fund the IRA, I have stated in this forum before that I hope this war on terrorism will combat all terrorism including the IRA. The part about dropping bombs from 5 miles high is pure rubbish...its called utilizing your resources and fighting smart...and whatever "collateral" damage occurs in the Afghan conflict, there will be only one person to Blame and he isn't American, can you guess who he may be? Just like many who blame the US for killing all those innocent Japanese civillians in Hiroshima......the guys who bommbed Pearl Harbor were ultimately responsible. If I lived in Afghanistan and my kid was killed by a "Daisy cutter" I'd be looking for Osama, for causing all this grief. America rarely starts wars, just finishes them! along with our courageous allies of course! and by the way never in the history of warfare has a war been prosecuted with the utmost care not to inflict damage on innocent civilians, unlike others who perpetrate their idea of war aginst only innocent civilians. Or others who use little kids and woman to hide behind.
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5by5,
Your initial portrayal of yourself as a Palestinian in order to solicit emotive reaction constitutes an inflammatory and self-aggrandizing attempt to justify a questionable and feeble thought process, made all the more revolting in the present climate of raw sensibilities. You have little or no grasp of historical precedent, of the unspeakable tragedy that occurred in New York, even less of the immeasurable damage done to the world community of Muslims as a consequence.
Were your posts not so transparently smug and juvenile, they could be construed as a deliberate act of terrorism. You appear to fit the profile of the anthrax mailer.
In my employ, you would be dismissed forthwith, and turned over to the relevant authorities.
Beware my young friend, lest the Men in Black take an unhealthy and active interest in the confused meanderings of your fevered and somewhat limited brain matter.
Your initial portrayal of yourself as a Palestinian in order to solicit emotive reaction constitutes an inflammatory and self-aggrandizing attempt to justify a questionable and feeble thought process, made all the more revolting in the present climate of raw sensibilities. You have little or no grasp of historical precedent, of the unspeakable tragedy that occurred in New York, even less of the immeasurable damage done to the world community of Muslims as a consequence.
Were your posts not so transparently smug and juvenile, they could be construed as a deliberate act of terrorism. You appear to fit the profile of the anthrax mailer.
In my employ, you would be dismissed forthwith, and turned over to the relevant authorities.
Beware my young friend, lest the Men in Black take an unhealthy and active interest in the confused meanderings of your fevered and somewhat limited brain matter.
The bias and prejudice is never far below the surface is it (whatever your views)?
Still, this forum provides participants with an unparalleled opportunity to 'get it off their chests'. I can't help wondering if Osama b Laden, Mohammed Atta et al had been able to indulge themselves hereon that they too mightn't have been satisfied with 'getting it off their chests' thusly (and taking their warped idealism no further!).
Still, this forum provides participants with an unparalleled opportunity to 'get it off their chests'. I can't help wondering if Osama b Laden, Mohammed Atta et al had been able to indulge themselves hereon that they too mightn't have been satisfied with 'getting it off their chests' thusly (and taking their warped idealism no further!).
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5by5 - or is it soon to be 1by1??
As mentioned above you have a skill in distorting facts. Take the video pics for a sec. That father and son weren't exactly on a shopping outing now were they? He was taking his son out to some "Israeli Bashing" on a nice sunny day, not something I, or most of the pilot community would choose to do here. They therefore 'calculatedly' entered a conflict zone, expecting to get hurt, unless they have been lobotomised just a bit earlier. Their death was being "asked for" by simply being there. That father was an idiot in the first place to take his son and I'm sure even you MIGHT not have done that.
My kid for instance is not allowed to throw stones even at English people down the road, let alone armed soldiers at the most violent part of the middle east.
As mentioned above you have a skill in distorting facts. Take the video pics for a sec. That father and son weren't exactly on a shopping outing now were they? He was taking his son out to some "Israeli Bashing" on a nice sunny day, not something I, or most of the pilot community would choose to do here. They therefore 'calculatedly' entered a conflict zone, expecting to get hurt, unless they have been lobotomised just a bit earlier. Their death was being "asked for" by simply being there. That father was an idiot in the first place to take his son and I'm sure even you MIGHT not have done that.
My kid for instance is not allowed to throw stones even at English people down the road, let alone armed soldiers at the most violent part of the middle east.
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D&W - too right about bias and prejudice.
Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in-for-me ! but I suppose that if your brought up on a diet of 'might, is right', and that America is (apparently) never ever wrong, then one can probably understand why some views expressed on these pages are as they are; oh well:
bugg smasher - I suggest you try having a listen to what this American has to say: Free speech (it's necessarily rather long, but very much worth spending some time over)
Suffice to say I'm glad that I don't work for somebody so seemingly intolerant, to anybody who dares expressive an alternative viewpoint, as you seem to be !
Roc - Good god, we actually agree on something, who knows where this might end ! However I'm afraid to say that ''it's called utilizing your resources and fighting smart' is almost certainly what OBL would say as well. But I too agree that hiding behind skirt-tails is as bright a shade of yellow that you can get.
Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in-for-me ! but I suppose that if your brought up on a diet of 'might, is right', and that America is (apparently) never ever wrong, then one can probably understand why some views expressed on these pages are as they are; oh well:
bugg smasher - I suggest you try having a listen to what this American has to say: Free speech (it's necessarily rather long, but very much worth spending some time over)
Suffice to say I'm glad that I don't work for somebody so seemingly intolerant, to anybody who dares expressive an alternative viewpoint, as you seem to be !
Roc - Good god, we actually agree on something, who knows where this might end ! However I'm afraid to say that ''it's called utilizing your resources and fighting smart' is almost certainly what OBL would say as well. But I too agree that hiding behind skirt-tails is as bright a shade of yellow that you can get.
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Help!
As a much older (and maybe wiser) observer (rather than aviator)I am disheartened by this thread. 5x5 has many valid points and opinions and he has a right to those opinions. If you disagree with them - fine, say so. But the idea that because he seeks to explain he should be punished, denied a living, or even life, rather proves his points.
Can I direct our US contibutors to their own revolutionary Declaration of Independence which was based on that of the French revolution. Can I direct you to the definitions of democracy (to be found in any dictionary / encyclopedia). Can I direct you to read up what the US flyers who survived the Battle of Midway (1942) now think (and it doesn't involve revenge, hate, dismissal or denial of other human beings, etc.). Can I ask you to consider how the destruction of life and property and the destruction of opportunity or hope (by any "side") contribute to progress or a better world. Can I ask you to think and study, to examine your prejudices (try reading A.C.Grayling - an eminent contemporary philosopher).
Intellect and worldly knowledge are not requirements for pilotting aircraft and, in spite of the above, I am heartened to see you all engaged in such a robust debate, but keep it respectful of both each other and of 'truth' - if you threaten, or seek to surpress opinion with threats, who are you mimicking - Washington? Mandela? Mao? Stalin?
(Bit of a rant!!!!!)
WE
As a much older (and maybe wiser) observer (rather than aviator)I am disheartened by this thread. 5x5 has many valid points and opinions and he has a right to those opinions. If you disagree with them - fine, say so. But the idea that because he seeks to explain he should be punished, denied a living, or even life, rather proves his points.
Can I direct our US contibutors to their own revolutionary Declaration of Independence which was based on that of the French revolution. Can I direct you to the definitions of democracy (to be found in any dictionary / encyclopedia). Can I direct you to read up what the US flyers who survived the Battle of Midway (1942) now think (and it doesn't involve revenge, hate, dismissal or denial of other human beings, etc.). Can I ask you to consider how the destruction of life and property and the destruction of opportunity or hope (by any "side") contribute to progress or a better world. Can I ask you to think and study, to examine your prejudices (try reading A.C.Grayling - an eminent contemporary philosopher).
Intellect and worldly knowledge are not requirements for pilotting aircraft and, in spite of the above, I am heartened to see you all engaged in such a robust debate, but keep it respectful of both each other and of 'truth' - if you threaten, or seek to surpress opinion with threats, who are you mimicking - Washington? Mandela? Mao? Stalin?
(Bit of a rant!!!!!)
WE
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5by5, that kid was killed by Palestinians, not Israelis. They are the only ones standing from where the bullets came. I do agree though---the question is why did his parents send him out to throw stones in front of rifles anyway?
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Actually, Nuetrall99 I wasn't referring to Isreal only in the return sniper fire with artilery.
I feel that it should be US policy (clearly stated) EVERYWHERE, in the hopes that the locals will shoot the snipers to protect themselves.
I am sick and tired of feeling bad about governments that hide missles in the middle of population centers with human shields. Parents that send their children out to be martyrs, and most of the other stupidity out there. We repeatedly put US service men in extra danger to protect not so innocent civilians, while If Al Queada had 6000 ICBM sites they would all be empty with 6000 smoking holes in the US.
I am tired of trying to be the good guy and getting crapped on for it. If the whole world is going to convict us of being bullies, then we should show them what bullies really are. As long as we have to do the time, we might as well commit the crime.
Frankly, after going to ground 0, and the funeral of many many friends, I simply dont give a rat's ass anymore... Time to stop pussyfooting around for a while, just like during world war II (where sniper fire was OFTEN returned with arty)
Cheers
Bohica
I feel that it should be US policy (clearly stated) EVERYWHERE, in the hopes that the locals will shoot the snipers to protect themselves.
I am sick and tired of feeling bad about governments that hide missles in the middle of population centers with human shields. Parents that send their children out to be martyrs, and most of the other stupidity out there. We repeatedly put US service men in extra danger to protect not so innocent civilians, while If Al Queada had 6000 ICBM sites they would all be empty with 6000 smoking holes in the US.
I am tired of trying to be the good guy and getting crapped on for it. If the whole world is going to convict us of being bullies, then we should show them what bullies really are. As long as we have to do the time, we might as well commit the crime.
Frankly, after going to ground 0, and the funeral of many many friends, I simply dont give a rat's ass anymore... Time to stop pussyfooting around for a while, just like during world war II (where sniper fire was OFTEN returned with arty)
Cheers
Bohica
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Good morning Ppruner's
Any pilot, Black, White, Asian, Chinese, or of any race you can mention, who has any positive comments in favour of what happened on the 11th of September, should be striped of his licence, and barred from ever flying again, some of you might say that is against the spirit of Free Speech, Yes, it is, but by forgeting political correctness you may, and I say again, May just prevent this atrocity ever happening again, I would even expect the Yanks to demmand Pyscho profiles of all foreign pilots who are ever going to fly there again!
For those of you who dont like it, just tell us what you would tell your son or daughter, when you find your wife, their mother, has been killed by some spineless piece of Cr*p who planted a bomb in a supermarkets entrance because one of the main shareholders of the supermarket was a Jew, or from the western world.
And for you American Irish out there, your dollers given to Noraid, helped to cause problems for us Brit's, but we have been your greatest and most loyal of compatriot's, when the brown stuff hit your fan!
Any pilot, Black, White, Asian, Chinese, or of any race you can mention, who has any positive comments in favour of what happened on the 11th of September, should be striped of his licence, and barred from ever flying again, some of you might say that is against the spirit of Free Speech, Yes, it is, but by forgeting political correctness you may, and I say again, May just prevent this atrocity ever happening again, I would even expect the Yanks to demmand Pyscho profiles of all foreign pilots who are ever going to fly there again!
For those of you who dont like it, just tell us what you would tell your son or daughter, when you find your wife, their mother, has been killed by some spineless piece of Cr*p who planted a bomb in a supermarkets entrance because one of the main shareholders of the supermarket was a Jew, or from the western world.
And for you American Irish out there, your dollers given to Noraid, helped to cause problems for us Brit's, but we have been your greatest and most loyal of compatriot's, when the brown stuff hit your fan!
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Devils Advocate - you'll more than likely find that my detractors have just enough time to make rapid decisions as to my (apparent) point-of-view, yet they've not the time to listen to a fabulously reasoned point of view, i.e. click here to hear a fabulous understanding as to why (maybe) the USA is being attacked
So, being that there's none so blind as them that will not see ! ... and I'll bet some wag will try and turn that phrase around and against me, which will only go to further prove my point... for those that feel so inclined, I'd ask that you listen to the whole of the above link (and, I'd suggest, do it at least twice) before you attempt to reply - after all, if you're so right(eous), what have you got to lose ?
So, being that there's none so blind as them that will not see ! ... and I'll bet some wag will try and turn that phrase around and against me, which will only go to further prove my point... for those that feel so inclined, I'd ask that you listen to the whole of the above link (and, I'd suggest, do it at least twice) before you attempt to reply - after all, if you're so right(eous), what have you got to lose ?
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5b5. I would like to know who you work for Please let ne know so that I make sure not to fly with that airline.. .Guess there is some room to improve hiring practices for this particular company.
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OBL's ranks are full of cowards who are willing to sacrafice their lives sneaking around and killing non combatants for "the cause". It doesn't need to be said. Anyone who shows agreement or encouragement for this behavior is aligning him/herself with this sick cause, just by making stupid statements. Blowing up airplanes and buildings full of children and women hits me as pointless and cowardly. Organize an army and fight, if that what you feel you must do. Anyone remember the Crusades?
