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Avtur - it said the leak it was "just above the Galley" so it was probably the chip pan ..................
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You mean the fries pan!
BTW Fantom, the Old People sign was still in the Sqn entrance in 2008 when 51 was in the AWC building. These days a Children Crossing sign would be more apt. |
Third RJ arrival in UK
I see the third RAF Rivet Joint has arrived in the UK on time -
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-t...5-rivet-joint/ IIRC this was the one that was involved in unspecified testing in the US. Presumably the second ship has by now returned from it's unspecified repairs in the US. |
All three were present after 666 landed.
As for the picture on that article, the second a/c was delivered in 2015 direct to Mildenhall. So can't be the one in that pic, (i'm guessing its 664 at the last Waddo airshow) as Waddington runway certainly wasn't in anything like one piece then. Not that the report is much good having relied on an irritating twitterfeeder I noticed they removed the old V-bomber dispersals from the end of the runway. V1 |
All 3 have been parked outside Hangar 5 in the last 7 days, although I've not seen them all at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Lordflasheart
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IIRC this was the one that was involved in unspecified testing in the US. |
they'll all be up for sale in a few weeks the way things are going.........
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Originally Posted by BigGreenGilbert
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It was news. A few weeks ago.
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USAF Rivet Joint aircraft are still unsafe!
A three-part investigative series regarding the dreadful state of USAF Rivet Joint aircraft published by the Omaha World Herald in June 2018. Follow this link. http://www.omaha.com/news/military/risking-disaster-offutt-s-aging-jets-are-breaking-down-at/article_dde63e61-06eb-517e-bd8f-b28269dd152b.html.
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cpants,
Thanks for your post. A fascinating article. Interestingly, I happened to be using a UK VPN when I tried to read the article and I got this page instead: https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...48e40d0b5f.png It's a shame the Omaha World Herald is too lazy to make its website GDPR compliant. Any PPRuNers in Europe who want to read this will need a VPN. I use NordVPN and am very happy with it. |
It's a shame the Omaha World Herald is too lazy to make its website GDPR compliant. Becoming GDPR compliant can range from the doing almost nothing, to undertaking a huge investment in consultation and time. It depends on the nature and geography of your databases (those containing private EU individual data sets) and especially on the range and geography of your sub-processors, together with a ton of other factors I would not dream of further boring you with. Bottom line, it's nowt to do with laziness and everything to do with determining the return on investment (ROI) like the vast majority of business decisions in the commercial world. Apologies...nobody likes a smartass, I'll get my coat. |
maybe someone can do a cut'n paste from N America? or a summary???
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
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maybe someone can do a cut'n paste from N America? or a summary???
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Summary of C-135 story from the Omaha World Herald
A plane fire and an idea: How and why we did this series
It had been 30 years since the last fatal crash of one of Offutt's C-135 jets. But we started to wonder: How often do the pilots of these planes declare emergencies? That question has proved surprisingly difficult to answer — though we soon realized that it happens a lot more often than we would have guessed. We learned that, after certain incidents, 55th Wing pilots fill out a form called an "Aircraft Incident Worksheet." We filed a Freedom of Information Act request for four years of these worksheets, expecting to receive a small number. Instead we found 150 or more per year. Many of them concerned relatively minor events, such as bird remains found on an aircraft after a flight. But dozens of others appeared to be more serious: engine failures, uncommanded rudder movements, electrical outages, hydraulic failures, fuel fumes, smoke. Several were harrowing to read. We requested additional records, including: » Listings from the Air Force's Integrated Maintenance Database » Incidents reported to the Air Force Safety Center in New Mexico » A 55th Wing database of "Pilot Reported Discrepancies," detailing maintenance problems noted by pilots after every flight » Nominations for monthly Air Combat Command "Aircrew Safety Award of Distinction," which filled in details on several incidents and included several additional incidents not described elsewhere These records helped us to build a history of flights cut short by mechanical failure for each of the Wing's 29 C-135 aircraft. Lists for some planes were longer than others, but mechanical failures led to in-flight emergencies on every single jet in the fleet. Sometimes we noted repeated failures of the same part or aircraft system on the same plane, within days or weeks. Even this long list is most likely not complete. For example, the Russian media has reported — and the Air Force has acknowledged — several aborted flights involving Offutt's two OC-135 aircraft, which conduct aerial photography over Russia and other countries under the 34-nation Open Skies Treaty. Information about those missions isn't included in the documents we obtained. We also found what appear to be very serious failures in the listing of pilot-reported discrepancies (such as in-flight electrical failures and large liquid oxygen leaks) with no other corresponding incident report or notation in the maintenance database. We compiled a database of 55th Wing incidents and shared it, or the numbers we compiled from it, with about a dozen aviation experts. Most had a prior connection to the Air Force. Four (Reg Urschler, Thomas Keck, Don Bacon, Maj. Gen. John Rauch) are former 55th Wing commanders. We also puzzled over a way to compare the number of incidents with civilian airlines or other military units. Then we discovered that the Tampa Bay Times had conducted a similar investigation into in-flight mechanical problems at Allegiant Airlines in 2016. Using records obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration, Times reporters had painstakingly created a database of civilian airline flights interrupted by mechanical failure for the year 2015. Then they measured Allegiant's record against other U.S. airlines by looking at how many flights out of 10,000 had to land early because of mechanical failure. They called the metric "interrupted flights." We queried the Times about it and verified with the FAA that the newspaper's methodology was sound. To match that metric, we added up all of the aborted flights and in-flight emergencies involving 55th Wing C-135 aircraft for fiscal years 2012 through '16 (Oct. 1, 2011, through Sept. 30, 2016). We did not include 2017 data because 55th Wing declined to provide information from their maintenance database for part of that year, leaving us with an incomplete data set. We also omitted emergencies that occurred on the ground, or flights that were cut short because of bird strikes. The "interrupted flight" total for those years was 413, out of a total of 12,529 sorties. We calculated a rate of 330 interrupted flights per 10,000. We also calculated the rates for each of the 55th Wing's five missions and its training jets. They ranged from a low of 130/10,000 flights for Combat Sent, to a high of 596/10,000 flights for Constant Phoenix. The World-Herald sought an interview with the current 55th Wing commander, Col. Michael Manion, in August 2017. The 55th Wing offered a tour of several hours that included a visit to the Wing's Rivet Joint aircraft simulator, an off-the-record interview with the unit's aircraft scheduler, a chance to observe Manion's daily weather and maintenance briefing, to include an interview with Manion. At the last minute, Manion's interview was canceled because of a schedule conflict and replaced by an interview with other senior Wing officers. A follow-up request to interview Manion was declined, and further requests for information were referred to Air Force public affairs in Washington. The 55th Wing was given an opportunity to review a late draft of these stories earlier this month as an accuracy check. Wing officials were also invited to offer comments on the broader issues raised by the series."We have no further inputs and respectfully decline any additional interview requests at this time," 55th Wing spokesman Ryan Hansen said in an e-mail. The Air Force, and the 55th Wing, are working to make investigations like this one more difficult. In mid-2017, the Wing began censoring certain information from the incident reports that it releases, including the tail number, aircraft type, and takeoff and landing location, in response to a Pentagon directive to limit the release of information about operations. Soon to follow: Part 1 "Risking Disaster" Part 2 "Harrowing Close Calls" Part 3 "Flying Past Retirement" |
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I found this site https://web-capture.net which converts web pages to PDF files. Here's the article.
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At the moment it is Apple and Pears. Are the findings mentioned above unique with similar aged airframes of comparable types having far fewer issues?
I remember in the 60s either a much newer airframe that we filed a Special Occurence report on a high number of flights. Engines were shut down for precautionary reasons. Expected mtbf of 1000 hours was rarely achieved with 300 perhaps the norm and 30 not that rare. Later that curve became flat. is the 135 climbing up the other side of the maintenanc e line? |
Offutt pilots fly old, dangerous airplanes — and not just because of money
Hansen: Offutt pilots fly old, dangerous airplanes — and not just because of money
Men and women stationed at Offutt Air Force Base fly some of the country’s most important spy missions in 60-year-old planes that are often too busted to take off. When they actually get into the sky, these crews’ key missions — like tracking enemies in war zones, watching Russia and sniffing out potential nuclear blasts — are often aborted when the giant plane breaks down in mid-air. These spy planes are 100 times more likely than a commercial airliner to land early because of mechanical failure. That sounds incredibly dangerous. It sounds unnecessarily risky. To Lisa Kort-Butler, it sounds ... familiar. (READ MORE) |
Not good when you're being benchmarked against Allegiant................... still it could be Lion I guess..
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