New name for UK RJ
 

Following on from the other ISTAR platforms:

SENTINEL

SENTRY

how about

SENILE

PT

Air Creaker?



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SEDENTARY ???

SUPPOSITORY

PT wrote:

....SENTER (of attention)?

(Hat, coat, etc...)

S41

'Senator' - it's American and a member of the 'upper and less numerous' forum!

SPAMCAN???

SEPTIC TANK???

White Elephant II?

Given the Boeing lineage, and the final roles of the 192 Sqn examples, perhaps RIVET JOINT should be Washington II?

I'm not sure if the last Washington B1s were still on strength when 192 was renumbered 51 in '58 - sure someone in the Pprunosphere can inform me!

S41

Given its age, why not 'Senior Citizen'?

S41, 192's B-29s went out of service in Feb '58, a few months before the change to 51.

WW - thanks, I wasn't sure whether to trust wikipedia on this. So, Washington II to support Lightning II? Or Chuck to support Dave?

S41

SENSELESS?

Considering the cargo...

SIGGIE?

Shackleton V

Well if the Shackleton was 20,000 rivets in close formation, why not join them all together with a big Rivet Joint

Not hemp then
 

All this discussion on colour schemes. I think the pic at Cosford proves the point. I remember when the R was white top and first painted hemp- grey under. we did some experiments to strip the paint from the bomb bay using dry ice (went right through!) once the 7 layers of paint was off we could see all the way to Moscow without crossing the border. I feel the RJ will be good for the UK and 4 powers. as for the special relationship. always been the case (or some of it anyway) we did have some organic capability. pitty to have lost the ability to develop systems in house we once had at EWAU/D

The RTS
 

Well Tuc is spot on as always. someone will sign up the RTS probably with a CLE to begin with. one thing for certain Q2 will make a fortune as usual reguritating "evidence" to support the safety case. lots of lessons learned in recent years since 230 and C HC. The E3 has a similar pedigree and that has not been grounded. These things are too important. as we have seen no one will have the balls to declare these expensive things unsafe. Questions would be asked in the House. The PAC and Defence Select Ctee would have a field day.

Out of interest does any one know if the two preserved R1s still have the racks and equipment fitted? I know there are some of the Starwindow and earlier LRUs in a museum somewhere in Norfolk.

On alternate names - we did call the crew "the formation eating team" and as most of them were senior in age we had "beware of old people" road signs up in the C flight crew room. I noticed the average age of the crews did reduce once we became more computerised.

dragartist

I still speak to some old colleagues from R1 days, including the Starwindows PM, and the first thing they mention is always the loss of EWAD. There were some super people there, and in SRB. (Although some would say the best job they did was the hack on Amstrad satellite boxes:ok:).

I'm sure XW664 at East Midlands Aeropark is pretty much complete internally...

-RP

BGG

We each form our opinions based on experiences. Mine are based, primarily, on the period 90-93 and I have nothing but good memories of EWAD and SRB. They never let me down which automatically puts them in the top 5% in my book. I’m sorry your own experience is a little tainted.

RP, XW664 is nearly complete pictures can be found here.
Nimrod - a set on Flickr

BUCCANEER SCAMP, thanks for the link. I was told that the plan originally was that the RAF was going to strip out all the sneaky beak stuff because of concerns about latent signals data still being left in the cabling and avionics(?) However when it came round to it, the aeropark were told 'we don't want the gubbins, keep em...'(or words to that effect) May be an apocryphal tale, but who knows..?

-RP

Burnswannabe, As I said nearly complete!
I took Mrs Scamp to look round 664 in the summer and they were telling us the Raf were thinking about buying it back earlier this year.

Till someone told them it wasn't current? :p

Well if the information isn't that important it probably just crawls along the wires and lets more important information overtake. So of course some messages just got stuck when the plane was switched off.

If someone broke in to steal it, would it be classed as a ram raid? :O

How many rivets are there in the actual airframe construction? :p

@ Willard, you can't call it Senior Citizen :cool:unless the four lovely CFM-56 mysteriously be replaced by 4 sorry make that 8 Pegasus :ok::cool::cool: and then requires the full load of the Voyager to keep it afloat (ahem ) in the sky after take off :)

Forget the old saying about Black and White at least its theres some white and some grey or maybe

Fifty Shades of Grey - E L James

:cool:

So funny it Hertz!

Neptune
 

OHM my goodness, PH

I'm fairly sure the OP's photo is real, not a Photoshop job. If it is a PS job, it's well done, by someone who knows the airplane. The "AIR FORCE" sits further aft than on USAF examples, because the word "ROYAL" is longer than "U.S.". Also, note the piles of brown craft paper and tape on the floor - this is a paint hangar. The fact that there is no sort of tail number or other ID on it tells me this is just after the major paint work was done, but before any detail stuff was done. I strongly suspect this is the scheme - at least to start with - that the RAF will be using.

Here's what she might look like in full 51 Squadron colors... :)

http://users.pemtel.net/jrh/ZZ664.jpg

Ah, so they ARE getting refuelling probes.......

Love the retro roundel lol :sad:

Thanks for the link to the pictures
 

Thanks for the link to Scottys pics on Flickr. Just as I remember it with a few post Starwindow changes. It was all super secret in my day. no pictures ever left 4H or 86A. suprised to see all the LRUs in situe. who pinched all the cup holders?!

And yes Tuc we did have some good people in spite of what BGG says! however there was only a few who should have not been let loose near aircraft.

I too remain in touch with one or two folks from the era.

Oh and all you photo shoppers- I think the "Royal Air Foce" should be on the white top side! How are the Formation Eating Team going to get through that small crew door and up the stairs?

So what was wrong with using the brand new Nimrods which were trashed?
1964 airframes? I've just sold a 16yo Merc which I loved because it was going to be too expensive to maintain.
If the Nimrods were unsuitable did we consider an A340 airframe?

It's called "buying off the shelf", something which many people here say we should do more often, and avoids all those very, very, expensive development costs, especially for a 3 aircraft buy!



Unfortunately the only thing available on the shelf was a 1960s vintage airframe, albeit undoubtedly with some fairly modern avionics down the back.

...and an extended holiday in the dry air in the 'boneyard'...

...and a brand new set of CFM-56 engines...

...and new metal let in with a thorough rivet-level inspection...

...and none of those robbing g!ts from WOS involved...

..."off the shelf" sounds like the logical choice to me :ok:

CPL Clott

whats the fatigue life of the finished aircraft?
is it "as new"?

Fatigue life? I suspect we might run out of AVTUR first...

Here is the data for the KC-135R from which ours will be based. This should be worst case.

Source
KC-135R Stratotanker