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Jayand 31st January 2012 21:07

Sorry to dampen all you warmongerers but lets be honest there wont be another war down there anytime soon! Dauntless is just a gentle reminder.

cokecan 31st January 2012 21:17

Jayand,

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WillDAQ 31st January 2012 23:06


Originally Posted by just another jocky (Post 6991764)
12 miles...that's a little close for comfort isn't it?

If it was too dangerous to even get airborne, I'd just park the jet on the end of the runway pointing out to sea, makes the Butt (sp?) switch and loose off a couple of anti-ship missiles if that were the case. :}

Amazingly it can shoot down missiles as well as aircraft.

I think the problem is that the advances in technology aren't readily obvious, but suffice to say that a single T45 is more capable in the air defence role than everything sent down in 82.

racedo 31st January 2012 23:16


Amazingly it can shoot down missiles as well as aircraft.

I think the problem is that the advances in technology aren't readily obvious, but suffice to say that a single T45 is more capable in the air defence role than everything sent down in 82.
Thats all fine but 40 missiles followed by same followed by same and pretty much end of ball game as MOD is not keeping hundreds on board.

Relying on defence assets is great but they all have to work at the same time and keep doing so................

Daysleeper 1st February 2012 06:27

Lets hope they've issued this ship more than 4 missiles...:hmm:

downsizer 1st February 2012 08:05

And lets hope the CIWS/Phalanx/Goalkeepers have finally been fitted too....

hval 1st February 2012 12:43

Phalanx fitted last summer.

glad rag 1st February 2012 20:14


ust how many aircraft could the type 45 defend at the same time anyway?
Hmm whether she runs out of reloads or targets first methinks....

pr00ne 1st February 2012 20:22

Seeing as how no Navy has EVER had to face an attack by anywhere near 40 missiles at the same time in the missile age I think that T45 with its 48 Sea Vipers will be fine. Isn't that more missiles than the Argentines have fast jets?

polyglory 1st February 2012 20:35

Lets hope the bean counters have given them a full magazine and a few reloads.

Otherwise it's cowpats at 25 yards:E

racedo 1st February 2012 21:08


Seeing as how no Navy has EVER had to face an attack by anywhere near 40 missiles at the same time in the missile age I think that T45 with its 48 Sea Vipers will be fine. Isn't that more missiles than the Argentines have fast jets?
No Navy ever lost a ship to an airplane until the 1st one.........

Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean it will never be done.

USS Cole lost out to something a lot less than a missile.

Tankertrashnav 1st February 2012 21:13


I think the problem is that the advances in technology aren't readily obvious, but suffice to say that a single T45 is more capable in the air defence role than everything sent down in 82.
Maybe so, but eggs and baskets spring to mind in this scenario.

Milo Minderbinder 1st February 2012 21:16

48 missiles but only 8 launchers?
How fast can it reload?
DON'T answer that - hypothetical / rhetorical point only

FODPlod 1st February 2012 22:28

"48 missiles but only 8 launchers?"

Irrespective of your question being "hypothetical / rhetorical", what launchers and what reload? The Type 45 has a VLS (Vertical Launch System) incorporating silos. 48 Sea Vipers in a VLS is a vast improvement on a twin launcher with 22 Sea Darts (Type 42 Batches 2 & 3) or 40 Sea Darts (Type 42 Batch 3).

The classic layer-defence system would have CAP taking out most of the shooters (air or surface) before they got within target acquisition / identification range anyway leaving the Type 45 to deal with any leakers with its hard kill and soft kill countermeasures.

WillDAQ 2nd February 2012 09:21


Originally Posted by Milo Minderbinder (Post 6994178)
48 missiles but only 8 launchers?
How fast can it reload?
DON'T answer that - hypothetical / rhetorical point only

Each launcher has 8 slots and there are 6 on the deck, hence 48 slots.

Should the entire Argentine air force arrive, all 48 could be fired in 10 seconds.

Not_a_boffin 2nd February 2012 18:08

The classic layer-defence system would have CAP taking out most of the shooters (air or surface) before they got within target acquisition / identification range anyway

Anyone care to spot the obvious capability holiday?

WillDAQ 3rd February 2012 10:56


Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin (Post 6995854)
before they got within target acquisition / identification range anyway

Bear in mind that target acquisition is now 'when they take off', so unless you're planning a bombing mission on the mainland I don't see how that would work.

Jabba_TG12 6th February 2012 11:54

Are all of her systems actually fitted and functioning or was she obtained through the "Smart Procurement" process?


My thoughts exactly.

"for many years there have been VERY cheap and VERY quick and easy ways to render all Falklands airfields useless for defence in about 10-20 minutes (by green minded attackers)."

Quite.

FODPlod 6th February 2012 13:10


...for many years there have been VERY cheap and VERY quick and easy ways to render all Falklands airfields useless for defence in about 10-20 minutes (by green minded attackers).
Shout "Fore!" and use a driver off the tee?

GreenKnight121 7th February 2012 01:07

The T-45 has no "launchers", irregardless of what that article mistakenly says.

The VLS cells come in a "box" of 6, there are 8 "boxes" aboard... but all 48 cells have their own lid, and the missiles inside can fire independently of any other cell.


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