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27mm 30th August 2007 10:07

The dear little Gnat had one too, a real pocket hanky sized one, of course, more for training than stopping performance, to prepare chaps for the Lightning, where chutes were de rigeur....

Dan Winterland 30th August 2007 11:15

The Valiant definately didn't have a chute. The Victor and the Vulcan has the same 45' diameter chute - the largest chute in regular use anywhere in the world. The Vulcan didn't use it much as it has a fairly low landing speed and could use aerodynamic braking. The Victor had to use it on nearly every landing as it had a higher apporach speed and brakes from a Ford Cortina. Landing without streaming was a big deal and required a landing distance available of over 9000', a headwind and a dry runway, and had to be specailly authorised.

The chute weighed 165lbs and was a b@stard to reload. It had a weak link which was designed to break at over 180 knots, so it's use in the air as a stall recovery aid would have been very limited.

27mm 30th August 2007 11:20

The F4 chute was useful, when it worked; however, prone to getting damp and hence not streaming - also a pain to pack and stow on a landaway. If you want to see some real drag chutes, take a look at the XB-70.....

ORAC 30th August 2007 11:37

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/i...FRC_popup2.jpg

Rocket2 30th August 2007 12:08

Tailchutes are found on older gliders too, my dear old SHK has one & I use it whenever possible - gives an impressive deceleration & rate of descent when deployed on approach :}

West Coast 1st September 2007 20:39

The space shuttle.

MrBernoulli 1st September 2007 21:19

I concur with Dan W's comments regarding the Victor tail chute -

was a b@stard to reload.
Usually took 3 crew to get the new packed chute up and into the tail hopper. Required judicious folding and assorted origami ....... or lots of stomping and jumping about on the bloody thing ....... to get the hopper doors closed. If you landed somewhere pleasant and sunny it was not necessarily a trial to be out there loading the new chute. If you landed somewhere cold wet and miserable then it was a pain in the backside - better to be the 4th man sitting in the cockpit monitoring the refuel panel.:hmm:

Double Zero 2nd September 2007 08:30

Hawk brake-chute
 
The Hawk design had provision for a brake-chute ( & other things such as chaff/flare dispensers, pylons & fuel plumbing, proper HUD, etc etc ) from the word go.

The RAF did not require them, but the Ministry agreed on the design being capable to enhance the aircraft's export appeal.

Almost all export Hawks, long before the laser / IR nose of the 100 series, ( and the single seat Hawk 200 fighter ) are a fair bit better equipped than the basic RAF T1.

BTW the Hawk inc 100 & 200 was designed & developed at Kingston / Dunsfold, only much later hi-jacked by Warton to keep them going as they didn't have anything marketable of their own...

PPRuNeUser0211 2nd September 2007 11:46

Ahhh yes, the mighty hawk brake chute... with a 1/3rd failure rate! Anyone know if the Hawk T2/128 is cleared for barriers yet?....

West Coast 2nd September 2007 17:14

You know you're flying a manly plane like the F4 when you fly a trip around the pattern with a blossomed chute. ORAC/human search engine find a picture of one and post it.

Oh yeah, the scooter-A4 also had a chute. Not often they used it however.

JT Eagle 2nd September 2007 23:04

A-4 chutes
 
Not quite true - only some export models and the A-4M had braking chutes. The A-4G for the RAN didn't and the A-4K did, and they used it almost all the time. Brazil's AF-1s, which were once Kuwait's A-4KUs have chutes. Unless anyone knows of another type, I think Brazil's Skyhawks are the only carrier-based aircraft to be equipped with brake chutes, although A-4Ms did occasionally appear on carriers. Or did A-3 Skywarriors have chutes?

JT

Brian Abraham 3rd September 2007 01:58


did A-3 Skywarriors have chutes
Yes, and about the only point of comminality with the look alike RB-66.

West Coast 3rd September 2007 05:54

Okay, some models of the A4 had chutes.

BEagle 3rd September 2007 06:41

Just for West Coast:


We had a press visit ad Scampton once - they filmed a Vulcan which was going to land and stream its drag bag. Landed, nothing happened, so it rolled to have another go....

Wherupon the chute deployed at about 200 ft!

Fortunately it was quickly jettisoned - but took AGES to float serenely to earth.

ORAC 3rd September 2007 07:24

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...fallschirm.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Pho...90-0047-08.jpg

Brian Abraham 3rd September 2007 08:07

For the anoraks among us A-4H/K/M/N and TA-4H/K to be precise.

XV277 3rd September 2007 12:28

I've seen Fokker twin jets deploy the reverse thrust before actual touchdown as well.

Out Of Trim 3rd September 2007 12:56


You know you're flying a manly plane like the F4 when you fly a trip around the pattern with a blossomed chute. ORAC/human search engine find a picture of one and post it.

I remember seeing an RAF F-4M at RAF Wattisham - on landing streamed chute - which candled and pilot decided to get airborne again with reheat and dragged the now burning brake chute around the circuit for another attempt and successful landing.

Enjoyed that!

izod tester 3rd September 2007 13:17

Even more inspiring was seeing an F4 at Wildenwrath dragging the barrier round the circuit.
:8

speeddial 3rd September 2007 14:01

History quiz:

Which aircraft used to approach with chutes deployed and afterburners burning?

ORAC 3rd September 2007 14:05

Try the Shuttle Training Aircraft (STA).

At 37,000 feet, and abeam the intended point of landing, the instructor pilot:
Lowers the main landing gear to act as speed brakes/increase drag
Selects reverse thrust,
Activates simulation mode, activating the shuttle pilot's controls.

The shuttle pilot then lowers the nose of the aircraft to increase speed to 300 knots, and descends in a 20-degree dive approach. The thrust reverses are stowed at 32ft to go round.

brickhistory 3rd September 2007 16:33

Then there's this:

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...uhistory/5.jpghttp://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...history/6a.jpg

On 21 March 1944, the "Belle of Texas" had its hydraulic system holed by enemy fire. They landed on Tarawa and used crew parachutes tied off to the fuselage to slow down.

pontifex 3rd September 2007 19:22

Drag chutes
 
The B47 would fly the entire instrument pattern with its drag chute deployed. Primitive engines, little acceleration and a fairly clean airframe. Lots of profile drag preferable.

Indeed the Victor used its chute on all landings as it had tiny wheels and b****r all brakes. It took about 5 secs to develop fully and was a very re-assuring feeling when it did. When Victors were being scrapped and being left around the bazaars as fire hulks, I had to take one into Hal Far. Very short runway so had to practice streaming it in the air so it bit just in the flare. Needed to touch down in first 400 ft at Hal Far on a runway that begins on the edge of a cliff. Fascinating exercise but it worked.

Geehovah 3rd September 2007 19:57

"Even more inspiring was seeing an F4 at Wildenwrath dragging the barrier round the circuit. "

Got peppered by the debris on my moped. Just passed through the overshoot on 27 when H....P.... went by.

West Coast 3rd September 2007 20:13

I know a good lawyer.

Zoom 3rd September 2007 20:36

I think I still have my F-4 land-away notes, which included photographic instructions on how to repack a 'chute. It took a bit of work, and the advice from the linies in the know was just to stuff it all in, lock the door and hope for the best when you got back home.

B_Fawlty 4th September 2007 18:11


and takes ages to re-fit them back into the fitter
:eek:
Why? Won't the fitter stay still while someone tries to shove a packed 'chute up his er... chute? :}


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