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Ninthace 27th October 2021 21:33

I remember going to work at Collingwood and seeing the SAR Whirlwind at Daedalus sitting across the perimeter hedge having managed to lop its own tail off on the approach.

NutLoose 28th October 2021 00:21

I remember the late C**** T***** telling me of being a formation flight when he said the rest of the formation suddenly appeared to climb rapidly closely followed by the realisation his engine had failed.


Cosford 2017 Gnome powered flier as mentioned above.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4197/3...52c999f8_c.jpgPositioning into wind, the old fashioned way-1 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/4254/3...5b92ff86_c.jpgSimply Timeless Westland Whirlwind HAR10-1 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/4246/3...5f2b4172_c.jpgSimply Timeless Westland Whirlwind HAR10 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/4266/3...2cd47175_c.jpgSimply Timeless Westland Whirlwind HAR10 by Tony Taylor, on Flickr


NutLoose 28th October 2021 00:36


Originally Posted by WorkingHard (Post 3133562)
Pontious Navigator, the ex QF Whirlwind is indeed where you guess. I had the pleasure of flying in it a few years ago but RW was not the handling pilot at the time. It resides with a lot of "wrecks" including a great deal of stuff from Lockerbie I believe, althought it may have all oxidised by now.

Left side of the fenced off 747 wreckage 2018

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...-life-13416790


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6ee3c5ab8.jpeg

NutLoose 28th October 2021 00:52

Additionally, pic



Westland Whirlwind in RAF/UN marks from her days serving in Cyprus.



XP328 can also be seen behind. Both of these Whirlwinds have been at Tattserhall Thorpe (north of Coningsby) since at least the 1990s, probably a little earlier.



They have recently been moved to a more photogenic spot.



XP328 and XP329 left for North Somercotes sometime in 2020 or 2021.
latest on them and what looks like an excellent rebuild this year. Lots of pics.

https://www.fightercontrol.co.uk/for...c.php?t=203561

gsa 28th October 2021 01:22


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 3133367)
Our local scrap man had a Whirlwind in 1986 ish, can't remember how it was powered but he used to fly around his small plot (:)) and practise for the slalam (?) with an underslung load.

Roger took the whirlwind to the world helicopter championships in 86 at Castle Ashby, Sure it was a turbine one, he had another that had a fair bit of corrosion, got to walk around his place and he had an interesting collection tucked away. Chris Billings flew it and he was crew. Certainly a good character.

Oldlae 28th October 2021 08:18

Roger bought three W/W Mk 10 from 32 Sqdn at Northolt, I put them on the register using the documentation for the civvy W/W WS55 Series 3. Since then the CAA considers them as different aircraft despite the MOD Parts Manual quoting both civvy and MOD part numbers.

Cornish Jack 28th October 2021 10:23

Nutloose - your #22 pics ... oh the nostalgia :sad:
Don't know what the winchman's background was, but some 'how to operate in a bo'sun's chair' lessons are in order !
For the wrinklies - gone but not forgotten ...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c04adecb12.jpg


NutLoose 28th October 2021 11:25

Cornish J if you want to download any of them as a wallpaper they are in this folder, open the Cosford 2017 one

https://www.flickr.com/photos/142550108@N08/albums

select the picture you want and view it, select the arrow facing down to a horizontal line on the right side below the picture
select all sizes, pick one of the largest, open it and right click on it when its opened, then select set as background, you can then size it to suit, if set as background is greyed out wait a little until it flly opens and then it will allo you to set it.


The "person" they were winching was a dummy..

ShyTorque 28th October 2021 11:48

I trained on the penultimate RAF Whirlwind basic course. It was actually a very large aircraft for a basic trainer, a bit like flying a small bungalow from the Dormer window. But it was a good lead in to the Wessex 5 as an advanced trainer!

For years I flew almost every working day over a dilapidated Whirlwind located in a small clearing in a wood, I think it was a paintball adventure place. Much later I discovered it was actually the very airframe in which I’d carried out my first helicopter solo and my first night solo. By then it had sadly gone, probably for scrap.

Cornish Jack 28th October 2021 13:15

Nutloose - many thanks for that. Super pics ... brain fade on the download sequence so went the Ctrl./Prtscn/Paint/Paste route.
The "person" they were winching was a dummy..
Ah, yes - that figures !:ok:

Herod 28th October 2021 16:53

Shy Torque. When was that? I did the Whirlwind course at Tern Hill in the second half of '66. We did the basic 40 hour course on the Sioux, then 60 hours on the Whirlwind. I don't know when they finished using them. As you say, a good trainer for those going onto the Wessex. Wessex 2 in my case (RAF)

WE Branch Fanatic 28th October 2021 17:09


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 3132897)
Yes, the piston-engined Whirlwind HAS. 7 in 1956. It was the Fleet Air Arm's first anti-submarine helicopter and carried but a single 'homing torpedo'.

It clattered along at a max IAS of about 95 knots - and had a range of only 290 nm at a stunning 75 knots.......


It also lacked the power to carry both the dipping sonar and the torpedo, and neither did the Wessex that succeeded it - the later Sea King and subsequent Merlin did. But all technologies have to start somewhere. For whatever reason, probably the ability to deploy a dipping sonar, the ASW Whirlwind displaced the ASW Gannet from RN carrier decks by the early sixties.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f863ecdb03.jpg




ShyTorque 28th October 2021 17:43


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 11133598)
Shy Torque. When was that? I did the Whirlwind course at Tern Hill in the second half of '66. We did the basic 40 hour course on the Sioux, then 60 hours on the Whirlwind. I don't know when they finished using them. As you say, a good trainer for those going onto the Wessex. Wessex 2 in my case (RAF)

I graduated from the Whirlwind 10 in the first half of 1979 so I would think the RAF final course finished later that same year. No Sioux flying for us, it was straight onto the Whirlwind 10 for 110 hours and then around 35 hours on the (ex RN) Wessex 5. I remember it was important to select "Rockets to ripple" on the armament panel for every solo sortie in those days. Not that we carried rockets, mind you! :cool:

Herod 28th October 2021 21:10

Thanks ShyTorque. I should think the Whirlwind was a handful ab initio. At least we had a few hours on a simpler and more forgiving machine. The Wessex conversion, at Odiham, was about 30 hours

Rigga 28th October 2021 22:32


Originally Posted by Oldlae (Post 11133374)
Roger bought three W/W Mk 10 from 32 Sqdn at Northolt, I put them on the register using the documentation for the civvy W/W WS55 Series 3. Since then the CAA considers them as different aircraft despite the MOD Parts Manual quoting both civvy and MOD part numbers.

I believe that civil registered WS-55 Whirlwinds had a second hydraulic system.

Rigga 28th October 2021 22:33


Originally Posted by Cornish Jack (Post 11133419)
Nutloose - your #22 pics ... oh the nostalgia :sad:
Don't know what the winchman's background was, but some 'how to operate in a bo'sun's chair' lessons are in order !
For the wrinklies - gone but not forgotten ...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c04adecb12.jpg

Is that weather vane on the Norfolk Coast?

ShyTorque 29th October 2021 00:12


Originally Posted by Herod (Post 11133702)
Thanks ShyTorque. I should think the Whirlwind was a handful ab initio. At least we had a few hours on a simpler and more forgiving machine. The Wessex conversion, at Odiham, was about 30 hours

Looking back I still think it surprising that we had to complete a 45 minute sortie of solo engine off landings on the ab ignitio Whirlwind course! We also had to fly an underslung load solo, with a brave staff crewman down in the cabin.

As far as the Wessex 5 was concerned, Shawbury had major serviceability problems during my time on the advanced course. It took five attempts to get my first solo on type done, all delays were caused by u/s aircraft*.

I only actually completed 30 hours of the usual 35 then got sent off to fly the Puma instead.

*I deny all responsibility for the aircraft getting broken ;)

John Eacott 29th October 2021 00:39


Originally Posted by ShyTorque (Post 11133758)
Looking back I still think it surprising that we had to complete a 45 minute sortie of solo engine off landings on the ab ignition Whirlwind course! We also had to fly an underslung load solo, with a brave staff crewman down in the cabin.

Underslung load? We had to trawl a Sproule net solo under the direction of the fearless (or fatalistic) crewman downstairs; in my case CPO Mooney, whose daughter I was taking out when the opportunity arose 😇


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0cde7defcf.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....97b58f1a08.jpg

Saint Jack 29th October 2021 01:05

Kharg Island, Iran, around 1973. Leo deVigne (spelling?) ex-Westland pilot, arrives to give a Wirlwind conversion to a young American pilot who has just joined Bristow Helicopters. During a post-flight de-brief we can hear voices are rising then Leo says, so that all can hear, “Don’t tell me what the Flight Manual says, I wrote it!” Later, Leo points out to us engineers/mechanics, “The helicopter doesn’t have a clock, the regulations state that a public transport helicopter must have a clock.” He was correct.

HeliAl 29th October 2021 05:30


Originally Posted by gsa (Post 11133293)
Roger took the whirlwind to the world helicopter championships in 86 at Castle Ashby, Sure it was a turbine one, he had another that had a fair bit of corrosion, got to walk around his place and he had an interesting collection tucked away. Chris Billings flew it and he was crew. Certainly a good character.

I flew the MK12 at the Heli Champs, great fun to fly even in manual after a gov failure.


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