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Call the Swiss, they've some Hawks they want to sell !
Rumour has it some Canadians already looking at them as new Snowbirds |
Reds Petition
There's a petition here if you feel strongly enough.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/ Like a lot of these things, it's easy to sit back and think "they'll never do that" and not sign up. Then they've been axed. |
OK Agree to disagree on a couple of not too important points
Analogy seems a bit as follows...... Lets go race in Formula1 but don't bother with an F1 race car we'll just use a classic race car from the 30's because they require much more skill to drive, the art of double de-clutching is still alive and we can stay stuck in the past - brilliant ! Bit tongue in cheek so please don't be too offended ! |
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Originally Posted by ZH875
(Post 3081813)
With the massive shrinkage that the RAF has undergone over the last 10 years, why do we need the Reds to advertise for people to join up.
If little Johnny wants to fly fast jets/Helos/AT then he will want to do that even without seing the Reds. As an aside, apart from advertising BAE Systems aircraft, and providing BAE Syatems jobs to build Hawks for little countries airforces, what do the Reds do for the RAF. If they are mainly to advertise for BAES, then BAES should fund them 100%, otherwise, the £5.6m should be better spent elsewhere, and in direct support of the front line personnel. Close Scampton as well, save money, just let the place go to ruin. (oh I forgot, it already has). So, ladies and gentlemen, I give you, the Typhoon equipped...Pink Arrows TAKE COVER! |
Higher performance and heavier aircraft would detract from the Reds' show, as well as being more expensive - in my (not very) humble view. I'm pretty sure that nine Typhoons with their similarly enhanced manoueverablity would improve the Red Arrows performance considerably. It would also help to sell the aircraft abroad. The Reds tipped the scales in favour of the Hawk in quite a few cases and the Typhoon could do with a bit of international promotion... The Red Arrows more than pay their way and it would be false economy to ignore the sales potential of the team in promoting our defence industry. |
Originally Posted by Flatus Veteranus
(Post 3086584)
I agree. The TBirds and the Angels fly fast and tight - but not very often. I have seen kids (self included) get bored waiting for their next appearance. The Reds and the Patrouille are rarely out of sight owing to their lower radius of turn, and are always doing something interesting. Higher performance and heavier aircraft would detract from the Reds' show, as well as being more expensive - in my (not very) humble view. Actually, setting aside patriotic fervour, as a former member of the cfs Sparrows team flying Piston Provosts, I get most kick out of the Jordanians in their light aircraft, doing something very close to a precision slow roll. The transfer from positive to negative g is seamless. Brilliant. Hats off!
Referring to the Jordanians, I think they flew Pitts, as we did in the Rothmans team, and being on the inside of a real formation slow roll, led by Manx Kelly, was a very interesting experience; a sort of very tight negative G barrel roll, couldn't possibly do it without someone to formate on! |
Give the Arrows Typhoons? Nochance-too expensive. The RNZAF has some low hours A4s they have been trying to flog off for years. Give Helengrad a call in Wellington, they will practically give them away.
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There's a petition on the Government's e-petition site here...
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/ It seems to be one of the more popular petitions to sign up to compared to others started at around the same time (though some of the motions are a little left-field), so maybe there is a ground swell of public opinion (so it's not big numbers yet, but from small acorns). Might be worth a punt if you feel strongly. But then it is easier and less time consuming to just not bother... |
Air Display with real jets
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T'would be good to see the Typhoon painted red and taking over from the Hawk but I'm sure the bean counters would put a block on that idea. At £45 mill a shot, you could never justify spending the best part of £450 million quid on an aerobatic team.
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Seems to me that the AD force dosen't do much apart from practice their aeros, so perhaps using Typhoons isn't such a bad idea!
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Since when have we had an AD force???:}
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Red Arrows
We need the Red Arrows more than Tony Bliar needs a personal jet to ponce around the world stage - useless t:mad: sser. Or we could save money by getting our ill-equipped overstretched forces out of their illegal wars in the 2 sandpits. Bliar - "Respected and admired by all do not know him well!" Red Arrows - Respected worldwide and justifiably so.
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red arrows chopped again
Typhoons, £45m each? Try doubling it and you won't be far off!
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What a worthy second contribution. You might enlighten us with the source of your information, along with your analysis of same. |
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/
That's all well and good ... however, this petition is just behind 'Replacing the National Anthem with 'Gold' by Spandau Ballet' at the moment! That's how much 'Joe Public' really takes this issue seriously.:ok: :rolleyes: |
Sorry, this petition has obviously gathered some momentum and overtaken the National Anthem petition, and now lies behind the:
Incorporate rather than demolish Manor Garden Allotments within the 2012 Olympic site. The profile is on a Sky Rocket! |
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