Don't mean to be pedantic but....

Morale (low) is for the groundcrew

Morals (very low) is for the aircrew


Carry on everyone.

Be advised that the grown ups are now aware of this thread, so be careful with the insults. (But maybe some good will come out of it)

My advice is to keep your comments short, sweet and straight to the point as officers have a short concentration span.

I know for a fact that there is a Sgt in the RAF Directorate of Corporate Communications whose daily chores include viewing these pages.

Good morning, Sgt PPRuNe!

Come on Sgt, you need to let us know who you are! Are you Mike Hegland.

Do we have to submit a FOI request to get the information?

I believe I was the first to mention 'Work to Rule' on this thread. Perhaps a poor choice of words, as subsequently someone has called it childish. What I meant was the practice of cutting corners.


So, we discover that an aircraft has gone flying without a valid 'Before Flight Servicing'

Do we raise a Murphy report, or at least come clean, to ensure it doesn't happen again?

Or do we cover it up? And then it happens again!......and a third time!!


Wallowing around in a cesspit of our own making.

Of course you cover it up!! the Farce is only interested in getting the job done at whatever cost. As the number of different down sizes gather pace the only way to get more jobs done with less people is to cut corners. Fact of life?

To be fair it is the same ethos out here in civy street. Most companies have a strong desire to do more with less BUT we have laws out here to protect us. One such example of many I could list, are the Health and Safety at work rules which allow staff to walk off the job if they observe unsafe practices.

You lot of course, have no such protection either in law or management!!

:ok:

Gorilla - the Crown lost it's imunity quite some time ago. If H&S are being broken it is the same as outside - we're not dropping bombs therefore it is peacetime.
I do hope that my Eng bretheren can see their way through all of this down at Lyneham. Just glad to be an interested stacker observing from afar.

........So is it true that the new nickname for this whole system is JAKASS ( 'J' And 'K' Aircraft Support Squadron)? If so, at least it beats the FART vans that were running around the dispersal!:E


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And another thing! What is going to happen when the J's move to BZN in 2008 and the K's live till Lyneham's closure in 2012...?

It will still be known as HLS and any manpower will be bussed backwards and forwards as necessary. :=

for those who can...JSP 375, Vol 2, Lft 25....stress inducers at work, last page......where are we? HLS, RAF Lyneham!

Can anybody help us???

Go to a secret Oxon base....the new boss is about to remalgamate the VC10 aircrew and groundies in a single unit

Best decision for years :ok:

Best Boss for years...........

At least 5!:ok: :ok:

Make that 10.....

I have never seen so many P _ _ _ed off ground crew. They know how to make it work better but she who must be obeyed won't let them. Perhaps she needs to listen to them and not fob them off.

The latest rumor, at ground level, is that she who implements change has got her promotion and has been extended @ Lyneham untill the post she is going to fill becomes vacant.

Remember change is inevitable (except from a vending machine). The changes at Lynenam are driven by LEAN and a need to reduce manpower across Eng Wing by 130 to pay for the ‘A Brief History of the RAF’ AP issued to everyone in the RAF. The changes at Lyneham were enforced with very little input from the SNCOs, thereby discarding 100s of, if not 1000s of, years experiences. Anyone voicing any doubts about the new system is accused of fear of change. The changes at HLS are not working, are unsafe and hugely unpopular. The line is working as best they can to make a bad system work but the basic problem is the system is unworkable, without tradedesks there is no focus. The JNCOs and airmen/women have a lack of clear direction and the Sgts spend all day with their head buried in a F700 while the Chief Tech Work Controllers are under utilised and have no control what is happening around them. The AP 3003 is full of tales of esprit de corps and leadership; at Lyneham HLS the former has been ground into the mud and there is a total lack of the later. However much the groundcrew moan, nothing will change until the aircrew complain about it. It must say something about a system when SNCOs with over 20 years service are clearly stating that they simply dread coming into work and people are happier going to Basra to get away from HLS. It would be interesting for our flying ‘customers’ to express their views on here what they think of the new system. The message that will go up from Lyneham to STC is that this new system is great and will be imposed elsewhere. :{

Change may be inevitable but, is it not best implemented after those in the know are consulted first & their oppinions considered. That way surely any change would then stand a better chance of working.:confused:

take it from a line engineer, if you want more work done give us back our trade managers and trade diary so we can utilise our time and accomplish more, thus getting more planes in the air!!!

Sabotage!
 

Heres a new one for you all!

Just heard that O/C eng has said the F/S C/T Sgt ect are SABOTAGING the new system so thats why its not working well at the mo!!

Laff I nearly fixed an aircraft! :D :ok: :E

How can this be so?

According to the figures published by O/C Eng, on her thankyou letter to the line (if all you aircrew haven't seen it then look on the notice board outside the HLS crewroom), 100% tasking has been met almost all the time (K&J). A bit of creative number juggling has been going on I think.:suspect:

Ahhh, another shift over and now I can sleep again. Mondays programme was met, mainly due to the fact that there was no flying over the w/end and everthing was worked over sat/sun. Can those that can check out the ADDER stats for this time last year, when we were a LOT busier, to Jan this year.

From the horses mouth (!!) : "I am not extended, I am due to be posted in August". So dont worry, there is light at the end of the tunnel, or will it be another train coming down the line!!!!

By the way, three more tool LACs/paperwork screw ups over the weekend, but apparently there are no FS concerns with this new system!!!!!

God help us when the first overworked, undermanned, exhausted crew mix up the K specific and J specific oil - OM15 and OM17 is it?

Remember - if no one actually can go flying then its not a flight saftety problem!