Rivetjoint - Was your question directed at me? If so, I suggest a reading from Pat Buchanan's "The Conservative" of a few weeks ago. The article is "Whose war?".

Now, I realize that this is all liberal clap-trap, but never the less, Buchanan poses a few interesting questions, and some obvious solutions.

Of course, I'm not qualified to speak, according to SOMAT.

See what you think.

Suppose you believe the conspiracy theorists. What's the big deal? America secured her cheap gasoline and the Iraqi people were freed from tyranny. The ends justified the ends.

Meanwhile, I'm glad to see I. M. has, as last, fessed-up to being a member of the American political lunatic fringe. Not that he ever concealed it very well.

Scud -
Interests - Ho Hum
Occupation - Hey Ho.

Get a life.

IME
 

IME so in your opinon what should we have done? Left him alone? He was always given options.. 3rd richest man in the world? He could have walked away.
Lots of Iraqi troops had no choice but to fight, especially when they had a gun held to their heads.

Of course we should have left him alone. He was no threat to the USA.

If the UN thought he was a threat, that's quite another thing, but the UN did not. This whole thing was/is about oil, power, money, and it smacks of the USA being a world policeman. I don't want to see that happen.

During the Primary, I liked John McCain better than Bush. I wrote a letter to The Times of Trenton supporting John McCain and criticical of George Bush. I particularly lambasted Bush's open border policy in Texas which allowed thousands of illegal Mexicans into Texas right under his nose.

I ended the letter with the sentence "Bush must be stopped".

A few days after the letter was published, as my wife and I were going down the driveway to the car to dine out, a local policeman with 2 civilians approached us. I was asked if I had written a letter to the Trenton Times, and I replied in the affirmative, and was told to go back in the house, as 2 Secret Service men wanted to question me.

We sat around the kitchen table, and one of the men produced a 9 page form which contained the information they sought from me.

They got to the point - My letter contained a threat to George Bush, a canditate for President. They percieved this threat by my closing sentence.

I assured them that this was my appeal to the Republican voters of NJ to stop Bush's attempt to become the Presidential Candidate for the Republican Party, and nothing more. This was to be done by means of the ballot box, obviously, and anyone should see.

At that point the cop left, and the 2 SS men continued to grill me for an hour and a half, after which they had me pose for Polaroid shots of me. I took out my black pocket comb, brushed my hair down Adolph Hitler style, and held the comb under my nose to resemble Hitler's moustache, and extended my right arm in the Heil Hitler salute fashion, and said, "OK, take your picture."

No no, that's all wrong, they said, so I just stood there and they snapped the shot and left.

I never heard another word about this.

From that moment on, I became VERY suspicious of Bush. My suspicions are well founded.

Well done I.M.

You could have added "At least I flew combat aircraft, something Bush never did" There is actually some doubt as to whether he actually flew/qualified in the F-102.

As regards your other "rant" or "conspiracy theories" as some other posters would have it.

I say , Rant or Prophecy?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3012847.stm

Points 12-15 make interesting reading. The points before them are important and imposing too, like a studio front lot, with about as much substance behind. The proposal from the US, is the Money from oil comes under US control, to be used in the rebuilding of Iraq. Now, if it comes under US control, who will get the rebuilding work again?

Now if you could just find a Bin Laden owned/connected construction company that gets a contract in rebuilding Iraqi infrastructure, the delicious irony will be complete:mad:

I say again, the Saudi Bin Ladin Construction Company has nothing to do with Osama Bin Ladin.

IME
 

The secret service had no option but to investigate you after you wrote your letter. Obviously they had to satisfy themselves that you were not a gun toting lunatic who went round shooting at USA Presidents.

Had they not done so and had you later featured in a shooting, or any attempt on the President's life they would stand to be charged with dereliction of duty. You were simply being eliminated as a suspect.
Your behaviour with the hair and comb probably convinced them you were just a harmless looney!:D

soddim
 

Of course Bin Ladin construction company has nothing to do with Osama......not now that the family have disowned him, though he still profit shares with them....but that's OK isn't it?????

Scary thing is the company is doing so well, they have wonderful signs all over the UAE, specifically on Sheikh Zayed road, which reinforces my original point.....unless you live in this part of the world you will never appreciate the irony of this whole mess!

But quite a funny quip either way soddim....we gotta keep our sense of humor don't we....???

:p

Well said all through, I.M.E.

Of course, Bush would have been stopped, had the US election been run according to that trusty old formula, "the candidate who has the biggest number of people voting for him will be the winner" rather than the curious abomination of democracy emloyed in the US, obviously designed by accountants and approved by lawyers.

Whether the world would have been a better or worse place had the result been different is anyone's guess.

Thank Christ the Secret Service doesn't have any interest in the letters I write concerning Helen Clark!

You are a Gentleman, Sir, and a thinker and a patriot. Keep it up.
:ok:

Thanks Blue Wolf.

I've written scores of letters about stopping one or another politician, but was never investigated until I took on Bush.

Blue Wolf,

Excuse my ignorance, who's Helen Clarke ? :confused:

Ghost Rider:

This may answer your question:
http://www.abc.net.au/asiapacific/lo...rie_803238.htm

Thanks IME
 

Oops ! :uhoh:

Sorry, I should have realised. I thought Blue Wolf was referring to a US politician.

newswatcher

I found the Pat Buchanan link you posted throughly absorbing. It is well balanced and the articles are all properly attributed. I knew the guy was a bigot, albeit, a very subtle, cunning and ostensibly amiable one (sound like anyone we know?), but the link shows him to be the hypocritical and prejudiced hate-monger he really is. Thankfully, there's about as much chance of him becoming President as there is of me becoming Chief of the Air Staff.

Buchannan is an opinionated man. I share many of his opinions, and I admire him warts and all.

A free man is entitled to his opinions, and to discriminate accordingly. That is known as the thought process, and will never change. If it makes me a "bigot" in the minds of some, so be it, and Amen.

Mr.Esperto,

Do you,by any chance,subscribe or contribute to Middle American News?

Nani - No, I never heard of it. I do subscribe to The Conservative.

Actualy IM poor fellow was feeling quite neglected at JB, his posts kept sliding down and falling off because no-one would read them so he's moved in an attempt to raise a response. Must have been quite thrill to get the SS in, now that is reaction.

Brat - You are indeed a figment of you're own imagination, and a damned Troll as well.