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Pilgrim101 1st Apr 2003 15:35

The Rt Hon (?) George Galloway MP (Kelvin)
Any takers for their views on "Gorgeous George" Galloway and his latest self seeking stunt ? I understand he has been calling for the Arab Armies to take up arms against our "packs of wolves" who are currently invading Irag and "slaughtering the innocent Iraqi people."

This little s£*t has been cavorting with Gaddafi, the PLO and Saddam for years, clearly in awe of the kind of power that eludes him in a democratic society. Through history we've lost countless good men in action to allow people the freedom of speech and action taken for granted in the UK now but Galloway has surely gone too far.

I'd like a word with you George.

mutt 1st Apr 2003 16:16

Does the charge of "TREASON" still exist in the UK?


WE Branch Fanatic 1st Apr 2003 17:14

Supposedly he has been try to persuade members of HM Forces not to obey orders.

Isn't that a criminal offence?

Here's to hoping that the good people of Glasgow lynch him.

newswatcher 1st Apr 2003 17:50

Extract from the Guardian(1/4):

"Mr Galloway insisted today that he stood by all of his comments, arguing that the war was illegal and urging British soldiers to refuse to obey what were "illegal orders".

"The wolves are Bush and Blair, not the soldiers. The soldiers are lions led by donkeys, sent to kill and be killed.

"As for being a traitor, the people who have betrayed this country are those who have sold it to a foreign power and who have been the miserable surrogates of a bigger power for reasons very few people in Britain can understand," he said.

The MP denied that his interview amounted to incitement for Arabs to kill British troops.

He added: "The best thing British troops can do is to refuse to obey illegal orders."

His comments were condemned by the armed forces minister Adam Ingram.

"Are there no depths to which George Galloway will not sink?" he said.

"I am sure such disgraceful comments will be rightly condemned the length and breadth of this country," Mr Ingram told the Sun."

SOMAT 1st Apr 2003 18:13

Alas, Galloway's freedom to spread his poison is one of the downsides of democracy, and their is nothing we can do about it.

The BBC trot him out fairly frequently so, as they would undoubtedly claim, to present 'balance in the debate'. However, whenever he is interviewed, Galloway's rants are so one-sided and virulent as to suggest he is mentally unbalanced. He seems quite incapable of seeing another's point of view; so in that regard he does his cause little good.

I am surprised that the good people of Glasgow should have as one of their MPs this long-term apologist for, and devotee of, one of the world's most evil men. Old George is so perverse that, were Hitler still around, I suspect he would be a big fan of that tyrant as well.

smartman 1st Apr 2003 18:15

Don't know about treason in itself, but wasn't that supposed London-based cleric recently jailed for inciting others to commit potentially law-breaking acts against the state? In this context, is there a significant difference between he and Galloway?

Expelled from the parliamentary Labour Party, banned from being an MP, and interned in an open prison for the duration of the war - these would seem to me to be sensible steps. If those with a more PC nature disagree, then how about the softer option of a free week fact-finding vacation in a Kuwait 5-star, on the same floor as a section of 42 Commando on pre-arranged R&R.

kbf1 1st Apr 2003 19:04

The cleric was insighting moslems to kill non-moslems and especially Jews so that they could get to heaven. Galloway is attempting to incite soldiers to lay down their arms.

I agree though, do him for Treason and fling him out of Parliament.

forget 1st Apr 2003 19:40

Is it possible to make a citizen's arrest of a traitor? Flying Lawyer?? Any ex-squaddies at a lose end in Glascow?

SOMAT 1st Apr 2003 20:18

Further to my previous thread. BBC Radio 2 has just finished (1245 hrs) giving Galloway yet another platform to air his extraordinary views. I often wonder what agenda the BBC is pursuing!!

We were told by Jeremy Vine, the presenter, that listeners were, apparently, 4 to one against Galloway; given this, an interesting aspect to emerge was that only 9 anti-Galloway but 5 pro-Galloway responds were broadcast - balance?!

Some pro-Galloway respondees said that the Scots were always the first to be sent into battle as they were seen by the rich (presumably for rich, read English) as poor and cannon fodder. Oh dear; at times like this the nuts begin to crawl out from the cracks !!

Pilgrim101 1st Apr 2003 20:56

As a Scot, in the Middle East just now, I am ashamed that Galloway panders to the fanatical fringe of Islamic societyand gives succour to a tyrant. Where was his righteous indignation when Saddam was gassing 5000 people in Halabja, slaughtering Iranians and torturing and killing hundreds of Kuwaitis in 1990/1991. Saddam has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and other moslems in his time.

Galloway's only agenda has always been self promotion but he is a rather lacklustre politician with a " colourful" past as far as the media is concerned, therefore he has to be "controversial" to at least try to remain in his precious limelight.

He conveniently forgets that his Russian heroes supplied 70% of Saddam's weaponry and that the French supplied maybe 15% together with a nuclear capability at Osirak which the Israelis malletted beautifully around 1981.

steamchicken 1st Apr 2003 21:11

The man is a fool, and his main motivation is that he has had the opportunity to pretend that he is important on the grand scale. By the way, he's not a Rt Hon (not a member of the Privy Council) and very unlikely to be, (unless you address him on the floor of the Commons, when all members are addressed as such)

Pilgrim101 1st Apr 2003 22:15

Thanks Steamchicken,

I thought there might have been some protocol involved in the title of "Rt Hon" hence my ? mark. I've certainly never seen him earn the title in my long suffering experience as a Scottish voter.

I understand that he has now been on Sky spouting his rubbish there too. I hope the good people of Kelvinside, who will support the forces, will demonstrate their distaste for this sneering little attention seeking sycophant. He apparently called the media "guttersnipes" - well, it takes one I suppose.

timzsta 1st Apr 2003 23:54

Had the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) 5 live on in the wagon this morning on the way to EGLL, and Mr Galloway was on there.

He is a disgrace and he should not be allowed to say the things he has come out with in a time of war. It his hight time that during times of war Members of Parliament should be bound by the same rules as to what they can say, opinions included, about the war. Then we wouldnt have the likes of Galloway and Cook damaging the morale of our troops.

I was shocked by his comments, particularly when he said that, and I cant quote his exact words as I was concentrating on traffic near the M1 "British soldiers fighting in Iraq will have to stand trial for war crimes" and that "the only people fighting legally in Iraq are the Iraqi's".

I hope that when the war is over and we need some experienced politicians to show the way in Baghdad that Mr Blair will give Mr Bush a ring and say "I have just the people - Short, Cook and Galloway".

Archimedes 1st Apr 2003 23:59

He's neither right, nor honourable...

Of course, the only way to discover whether he may have committed a criminal offence would be if someone was to complain to the police about it. They'd be obliged to investigate.

Interestingly, Galloway's choice of phrasing appears alarming similar to the Iraqi Ministry of Information's handbook for denouncing the west. Packs of Wolves? Miserable surrogates? Per...lease.

Toddington Ted 2nd Apr 2003 01:26

George Galloway
We have been warned to be careful regarding local wildlife out here in the Desert as a camel spider/whip scorpion was captured in our Tent City earlier. I understand it has been named "George" and didn't know why until I came on shift today!

SOMAT 2nd Apr 2003 01:29

Wholeheartedly agree with your posts, Pilgrim.

Hitler had William Joyce, alias Lord Haw-Haw, executed at Nuremburg in 1946, who is dismissed by many historians as a comical, almost pathetic, figure. It is difficult not to draw parallels between the real Lord Haw-Haw, and Saddam's equivalent, Galloway. The main difference is that Galloway is using the 'soft underbelly of democracy' to undermine our forces and give aid and comfort to the enemy from within our midst. There must be a stage where comments made in the interests of legitimate debate and criticism crosses the line and becomes downright sedition; I am not au fait with the legalities but Galloway has surely crossed that line by now.

On the other hand, to proceed against him would only hand him the oxygen of publicity he, like all self-publicists, undoubtedly craves.

Another thought occurs; perhaps there are numerous muslims in his Kelvinside constituency and he is only looking out to protect his voting majority, as politicians are wont to do.

Good luck to you out there.

Flatus Veteranus 2nd Apr 2003 03:02

Being old enough to remember Joyce ("Lord Haw-Haw"), I cannot see that he said anything more treasonable than Galloway. If Joyce swung, Galloway should at least be locked up in the Tower and Cook with him.

Of more moment, to my mind, is the general editorial stance of the BBC, which is struggling so hard to be "Independent" that it is bringing aid and comfort to the enemy. Dimbleby père would turn in his grave if he could hear all the doom and gloom as soon as anyone gets hurt, particularly if it's a civilian. In those days the BBC gave such facts as they were able to, sparing none of the set-backs and disasters, but there was never any shred of doubt about whose side they were on. I remember their correspondent reporting live from Arnehm. Very moving.

I think that when this war is over there is going to have to be a rethink of the BBC's charter. Why should we all have to pay a poll-tax to fund an organisation whose aim seems to be to curry
favour with the Third World? :mad:

Unwell_Raptor 2nd Apr 2003 03:34

"Alas, Galloway's freedom to spread his poison is one of the downsides of democracy, and their is nothing we can do about it."

Actually, it is one of the upsides.

And I too think that he is a little sh1t .

tony draper 2nd Apr 2003 03:56

Perhaps MI5 should investigate the mans finances, they might find he has a nice little retirement fund stashed away somewhere,courtesy of Saddam, after all isn't the Iraqi PR representative in the UK worthy to his hire?

CAC Runaway 2nd Apr 2003 04:13

Is there anyone serving out there from his constituency fancy inviting him out for a morale boosting visit to the troops. Maybe we could send him by way of an Amercan check point in a car with no brakes.

BarryMonday 2nd Apr 2003 07:27

One obvious candidate for thirty pieces if silver and directions to the nearest rope store.

maxburner 2nd Apr 2003 17:39

Perhaps Mr Blair could throw the Hon George out of the Labour Party. There must also be grounds for some charge to be brought along the lines of supporting an enemy during war. The man is despicable.

Talking Baggage 2nd Apr 2003 17:50

Perhaps somebody should invite him to apply for asylum in Baghdad!

RubiC Cube 2nd Apr 2003 18:59

A minor problem in bringing charges against him, but have we actually declared war?

Tartan Giant 2nd Apr 2003 23:46

Galloway bum
I sent this to the slimy sod via his email :
[email protected]

No reply as yet (on his way to see his mate Mr S. Hussein ?).



Dear Saddam Hussein sucker,

I'm a Glaswegian too.........and I just hate to think I might have walked the same street as you !

You are a contemptible disgrace and shameless bas****d calling our loyal troops "wolves".

If you want to stop the war why don't you jump on a plane to Baghdad and help that regime out there ?
The SUN newspaper is quoted as even offering you one-way First Class travel - you would be able to enjoy, once again, the company of a living Hitler you once described as, "He has a gentle handshake and is surprisingly diffident".

That you would shake hands with that evil devil speaks volumes about you as a person, and a politician.

I hope they grill you well and truly the next time you have the bare-face effrontery to take your seat in Parliament. The toilet seat is more befitting your loyalty for the Union flag.

Captain ************
01**********(fax and phone)
Ex - Royal Air Force and one who defended your lousy freedom which allows you to open your fat mouth.

Pilgrim101 3rd Apr 2003 01:11

Problem is that all the controversy feeds his monstrous ego. If you read carefully, he weasels his words so that he can defend himself once Baghdad falls and the CIA and the Sixers get unlimited access to data and WMD held there. His constant harping back to the past fails to acknowledge the end of the Cold War and the totally different circumstances which prevail today.

I do hope that he will be held to account when the regime falls and the truth is out.

He would lick Saddams **** for the kind of power he represents and his sycophantic handshake with the worst mass murderer of the last few decades should have consigned his political career to the dustbin. Why didn't it ? He keeps pandering to the fanatical fringe of moslem fundamentalism and positively encouraging attacks on British Soldiers, civilians and interests. Most Arabs/Moslems of my acquaintance find the thought of support for Yasser Arafat, Gaddafi and Saddam stomach churning and embarrassing.

He also harps on about the West arming Saddam when a quick glance at the Iraqi ORBAT proves the high percentage of Russian, French and Chinese kit held. You may find a couple of Lathes from a factory in the Midlands and some pipework which in fact never made it to the end of the HARP Gun Barrel, arguably because the funnies let him think everything was on programme then they cuffed him at the last minute (and Gerald Bull, the Gun designer I think!) leaving their programme years behind.

The good people of Kelvin deserve much better. Their call !

swinging monkey 3rd Apr 2003 14:20

Tartan Giant,

I loved your e mail to the Rt Harsehole George, well done old boy:O

The thing is chaps, someone has to have voted the commie bast**d into office:} But who?? Come on the people of Glasgow, your sons and daughters, husbands & wives are out there also, do you really want your MP calling them Wolves?

The man is a sad and pathetic example of someone in public life who cannot make the headlines other than by shouting his big mouth off with utter cr*p. Try not to rise to his bait (unlike me!) but instead, write a nice polite, calm letter to Mr Blair, explaining that you have taken great personal offence at the Rt Hons comments, and what does he intend to do about it?

Sooner or later, Blair will have to go to the country, and with people like this Mad Jock in his party, it doesn't bode well for him.

In the meantime, to all our heroes in the Gulf, let me say that George Galloway is in a very tiny minority here and DOES NOT, in any way, represent the true views of the average Great Briton! Keep up the great work people and God Speed

The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, send a Grouse bottle to Mr Galloway, but fill it with something that only looks like Grouse, yes thats it, PI**'

ORAC 6th Apr 2003 10:40

Sunday Times - ‘Baghdad George’ faces expulsion from Labour.

GEORGE GALLOWAY, the pro-Baghdad MP, faces expulsion from the Labour party after urging British troops to disobey orders and branding Tony Blair and George Bush “wolves”.

The government and the party are determined to have their revenge on the maverick member for Glasgow Kelvin in a process that is likely to begin with the removal of the party whip in the Commons. That means Galloway will no longer be regarded as a Labour MP.

The removal of the whip will be followed by further disciplinary measures, with a reprimand and suspension likely to lead to a formal expulsion from the party. This would have to be approved by Labour’s national executive committee, chaired by Blair.

“We are going to get him, have no doubt about that,” a senior Labour source said yesterday. “When this (war) is over his feet won’t touch the ground. What he did is unforgivable.”

Galloway, nicknamed the “member for Baghdad Central”, also faces moves to prosecute him under the Incitement to Disaffection Act 1934. On Tuesday he urged British troops to refuse to obey “illegal orders”.

To add to Galloway’s woes, the outcry over his remarks has forced him to recruit bodyguards. “I have received a torrent of the filthiest, most foul abuse,” he complained. “My elderly mother has been besieged and my wife was imprisoned in her home. There have also been death threats.”

West Coast 6th Apr 2003 15:35

You guys want to trade him for Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?
Still have room at Gitmo if you would like.....

Pilgrim101 6th Apr 2003 16:12

Galloway the B£%&*%

"The removal of the whip will be followed by further disciplinary measures, with a reprimand and suspension likely to lead to a formal expulsion from the party. This would have to be approved by Labour’s national executive committee, chaired by Blair."

Didn't they do that to Ken Livingstone too ? Didn't he end up as Mayor of London ? God help the people of Glasgow if Galloway gets the Lord Provost's job because it's well seen in our Country that shit floats. Every dimwitted failure in UK politics ends up somewhere on the gravy train - just look at Kinnock and his boss, Glenys, hoovering up in Brussels !

West Coast, thanks for the offer but we'll keep whining little Galloway and your friendship thanks. Galloway will pay for his fawning love affair with Saddam et al and his poor ego won't be able to handle the loss of the limelight. Pearl handled revolver job I think ! I just hope he recruits his "bodyguard" locally.

Maybe we could give him to the French.

Unwell_Raptor 6th Apr 2003 16:24

Today's media are carrying a story alleging financial irregularities in connection with a charity and GG.

Galloway has always courted notoriety (there was always one kid like that in every school wasn't there?) but come the end of the war he is toast.

By the way, he certainly isn't a Right Honourable anything. All MPs are Honourable Members (just like me being an Esquire, it is meaningless). Rt. Hon is for Privy Councillors only. GG is not and never will be one.

Pilgrim101 6th Apr 2003 17:25

Thanks "Unwell", already pointed out earlier hence my well deserved Question Mark in front of this little shit's name. You are right, no matter what happens he is in the clag and just watch him try to weasel out of it after Saddam is zipped up.

He is a born loser but these people just stay in our faces because they have skin like rawhide and don't seem to recognise the contempt in which they are held by the majority. He writes (or hopefully, wrote) for a Newspaper in the UK and I wouldn't wipe my arse on his ranting, supercilious left wing garbage.

I think he should be invited to meet our families back home and explain to them why the Arab Armies should rise up against us ! He thinks he is an "Arabist" (first mistake) and that he speaks for "Arabs" (second mistake) and by toadying to the flag burning fanatics out there that he is regarded as an icon by them at least, because we all know what a Tosser he is and wouldn't give his ego house room.

I don't think his loyalty or honour bears scrutiny and we should really publicise his tainted, pathetic little career to date. Let's start with his "achievements". Other than the distress he has caused to our families I can't think of any.

CaptainFillosan 7th Apr 2003 04:21

Well now the poor mis-guided prat is going "to fight any attempt to have him expelled from the Labour party!" After calling the coalition wolves, he will surely get the biggest bite in his large bum that he has ever had.

Probably best really. Where will he be able to go after Iraq is re-built? Hell comes to mind :D

J.A.F.O. 7th Apr 2003 22:23

As far as I can see this hideous man should be removed from the house immediately as he, I believe, has had to swear an oath of allegiance to the crown which he has clearly broken. Also he appears, as far as my limited knowledge goes, to have committed offences under both the Incitement to Disaffection Act 1934 and the Treason Act 1945.

He, like all of us on these forums, is lucky enough to have freedom of speech but with that freedom comes responsibility, a responsibility which is made more important by his role as an MP.

He should lose his liberty for the rest of his miserable life and think himself lucky that the full powers of the latter act did not choose to take his life from him.

He is a detestable creature who represents the views of no-one and I only hope that those of you who currently have restricted internet time do not for one second believe that his foul rantings are representative of even the tiniest proportion of this country.

Pilgrim101 7th Apr 2003 23:49

Nice Observation JAFO ! I hope we don't let Galloway off the hook when the dust settles. There are enough of us coming back to UK soon who will be asking for a quiet word with Galloway in his surgery in Kelvin. That's of course if the little shit isn't out in Colombia, Cuba, Libya, Palestine or Chechnya for example on "fact finding" junkets. What does he do for his own constituents and when does he have the time ?

Pilgrim101 9th Apr 2003 22:55


There's still time to go and save your "indefatigable" friend but watch his statues don't fall on your fat, pompous little arse.

I can't wait for his next interview having just watched the Iraqi people's reaction to their liberation.

Great ! Power to the people !

messybeast 10th Apr 2003 03:41


Sadly it was reported on the radio earlier today that Galloway is refusing to give any interviews - funny that. :rolleyes:

Hopefully he won't be selected for one of the new seats at the next election. His old seat disappears in the current boundary review. We don't need vermin like him representing Scotland.

Vortex what...ouch! 10th Apr 2003 05:06

Apologies for copying this it was posted by Whiskey Zulu over in Jetblast. Thought it would be appreciated in here.

During Prime Ministers questions today.

Tony Blair was explaining how it will be difficult to officially declare an end to hostilities in Iraq as (other than Saddam) they do not know which member of the Iraqi regime would have the authority to officially surrender.

A Tory backbencher shouted out 'George Galloway.'

I spat my coffee out, as both sides of the house fell about laughing. Even Tony Blair found it difficult to suppress a laugh.

ck4707 10th Apr 2003 05:59

Maybe one day Galloway will wake up to the fact that the coalition forces are trying to give the Iraq people the same freedom he has to state their views. Or is he so superior that he is allowed to say what he thinks but others must not?

Vortex what...ouch! 10th Apr 2003 06:06

Perhaps he would like to go and visit tomorrow and tell the people he likes their former leader. Maybe not he would be ripped apart on the streets. Mans a *****r and oxygen thief. Not worthy of the steam from my s***.

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