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albatross 5th Apr 2024 18:27

“Latin allows we lawyers, judges etc. to keep you in a constant state of confusion until the cell door slams shut behind you!”. (. a lawyer told me that.)

Ninthace 5th Apr 2024 18:48


Originally Posted by stevef (Post 11629854)
Just read this on the Internet:
Latin can improve your English vocabulary. Deepen your communication skills. Enhance critical thinking. Give you a new perspective on language.
Sounds like encyclopaedia salesmen patter to me. Has anyone who was force-fed Latin at school actually found any benefit in it? Even Kiswahili must be more useful to learn with an estimated 200 million first & second language speakers, rather than the odd Catholic priest mystifying his congregation with something that hasn't been widely spoken for over 1500 years. :confused:

IV, as the Roman golfer shouted.

Absolutely YES. I went on to do other languages and the foundation of grammar and syntax was invaluable, even with non Latin based languages such as German, To this day, I often fall back on Latin when reading a menu in a European language I do not speak.

I also reckon there were transferrable skills when I started to program as again there is a grammar and a syntax,

Ninthace 5th Apr 2024 18:52


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11629895)
What I want to know.

How does anybody know how to speak Latin?

We had [I had briefly] two masters who pronounced the weird words differently.

And some Met. folk say strartus and some straytus.

Hard to say, it has been spoken continuously since Roman times but whether one of Jule's finest would recognise it, who can say? Then again, we know that the pronunciation and structure of English has changed over the centuries - ever heard Shakespeare as he would have heard it?

dogle 5th Apr 2024 23:44

Ninthace - was it not ‘Gallia omnia divisia est in partes tres’ - much more difficult to translate grammatically under my very demanding Latin master [who was ex-RAF, “five horrid years” in India in WW II - we became great friends when he retired] - but of course Caesar did not have the benefit of Kennedy’s wisdom back then ... and I agree as to the later benefits of the tortures we endured at school, I still reach for my precious Gepp and Haig Latin dictionary now and then when I want to fix a meaning exactly.

Beags - thanks for your mention of ‘causas’ .. the proud motto of Sheffield University is “Rerum cognoscere causas” ... which is of course open to the most widespead abuse ... but my favorite translation remains as “to go and see her old man”.

Reverend mods, top marks for preserving these wildly offtopic remarks here - I had no idea how erudite was the community of my former fellow aviators - they are fun, and a bit of fun is most welcome now - thank you.

[but please please let us not get on to Chaucher! ]

[Oh, and hat-tip to albatross also for that very astute comment today]

Lonewolf_50 5th Apr 2024 23:58


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11629895)
How does anybody know how to speak Latin?

Yes. Some people do. You can see this in the movie "The Passion of the Christ" which was done in the original languages with sub titles. (Mostly Aramaic and Latin, but I think some Hebrew was also spoken).
To be honest, the Latin sounded a lot like Italian to me.
Allegedly, among the Romance languages, Romanian is the closest to Latin of any of them, but how far it drifted I can't say.

Sue Vêtements 6th Apr 2024 00:24


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11628574)
Longer since I studied it, got the O-level in '65! Took 2 attempts.

Bloody hell ... it was still new then!

Barksdale Boy 6th Apr 2024 03:07

I don't speak Italian, but my degree is in classics. So when I go there I speak Latin with a world-war-two-film Italian accent. They love it. Use ut and the subjunctive and they swoon.

Ninthace 6th Apr 2024 07:47


Originally Posted by dogle (Post 11629990)
Ninthace - was it not ‘Gallia omnia divisia est in partes tres’

No, not in my version but if you don’t believe me
Caesar’s Gallic Wars

Ninthace 6th Apr 2024 07:54


Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements (Post 11630001)
Bloody hell ... it was still new then!

In my Defence, I was only 14 when I did my O-levels and mum had just had a fling with a centurion from the IXth Legion. Well he said it was the IXth. She said he was a proper gent, always took his caligae off in bed.

Expatrick 6th Apr 2024 09:16


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11629895)
What I want to know.

How does anybody know how to speak Latin?

We had [I had briefly] two masters who pronounced the weird words differently.

And some Met. folk say strartus and some straytus.

Depending on their status or status!

My Father & step Mother had Italian friends who would drive to London every summer in their ancient Beetle. My stepmother spoke fluent Italian and the women would chatter away merrily but my Father and the husband would converse in Latin.

Ascend Charlie 6th Apr 2024 10:07

Maybe go to Latin America?

Barksdale Boy 6th Apr 2024 13:51


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11630070)
No, not in my version but if you don’t believe me
Caesar’s Gallic Wars

Divisia?

Ninthace 6th Apr 2024 14:54


Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy (Post 11630275)
Divisia?

Not in my #36
Non possum esse reus aliorum errorum

or words to that effect :ok:

BEagle 6th Apr 2024 17:10

Oh Lord - 'ut and the subjunctive'! One of the real horrors of Latin. Along with gerunds and gerundives, ablative absolutes, 'A, ab, absque, coram, de palam, cum, and ex or e...' and other grammatical tortures inflicted on me at prep school whilst I was covertly reading 'The Airfix Magazine'....

Expatrick 6th Apr 2024 17:47


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 11630358)
Oh Lord - 'ut and the subjunctive'! One of the real horrors of Latin. Along with gerunds and gerundives, ablative absolutes, 'A, ab, absque, coram, de palam, cum, and ex or e...' and other grammatical tortures inflicted on me at prep school whilst I was covertly reading 'The Airfix Magazine'....

Bit of a swot then, most of us were making marble runs in our desks!

India Four Two 6th Apr 2024 19:09

When I was introduced to Latin, mensa (table) was used to teach the endings for nouns of the first declension, which I remember to this day!

I found the vocative case mysterious. How often did Romans want to talk to a table?

Ninthace 6th Apr 2024 20:42

Sometimes, when I have been teaching, it has felt like I was talking to a room full of tables.

D120A 8th Apr 2024 20:41

At this point it would be respectful to remember the fate of the young lady who married a Latin scholar. When she asked him to Conjugate, he Declined.

Ninthace 8th Apr 2024 20:45

How did she construe that?

Mogwi 9th Apr 2024 10:35


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11630465)
Sometimes, when I have been teaching, it has felt like I was talking to a room full of tables.

What does an occasional table do when it is not being a table? Sorry for drift squared!

Mog


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