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chopper2004 21st Mar 2024 23:05

China new Heavy Attack Helicopter
 
https://www.twz.com/land/chinas-new-...mXHfHBDBW-SU7U

https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6g&oe=66025A4B

Big Pistons Forever 22nd Mar 2024 00:05

Looks like they stole the plans for the Apache.....

Asturias56 22nd Mar 2024 07:25

why not = it works....................

Less Hair 22nd Mar 2024 07:49

Apachine?

PPRuNeUser0211 22nd Mar 2024 08:29


Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever (Post 11621093)
Looks like they stole the plans for the Apache.....

Nah, word on the internet street is that this is an attack helicopter version of the Z-20, which is definitely not a copy of the blackhawk.... New one seems to be the same manufacturer, similar rotor and tail boom, but with a different (tandem fwd fuselage).
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c33200bfe9.jpg

dead_pan 22nd Mar 2024 08:34

The front end is similar to the Mi28

ORAC 22nd Mar 2024 08:36

Seems as if I'm a bit late to the party posting the most recent and so bar clearest images of the new Z-21 (?) heavy attack helicopter ... but even I have to sleep at some point 😉

1. the first side view of that beast!

(Image via @D-grammophon from Weibo)​​​​​​​


2. and second two slightly clearer images of previously seen ones.

(via 2=GT/SDF)

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e088b17cfd.png

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a6cfaa4ce3.png

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8b62ddecb1.png
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dead_pan 22nd Mar 2024 08:54

Meanwhile, the US Army has just cancelled FARA and are going to look instead at unmanned options to deliver this capability (lessons reportedly being learned from Ukraine regarding the survivability of helos over the battlefield).

minigundiplomat 22nd Mar 2024 10:53

If it's anything like the Chinese products I've ordered online in the past, it looks full size in the photographs, but turns up sized for Action Man and breaks on first use. I don't think we need to worry just yet.

Lonewolf_50 22nd Mar 2024 15:03

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :ok: Apaxi.

melmothtw 22nd Mar 2024 15:05


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11621249)
Meanwhile, the US Army has just cancelled FARA and are going to look instead at unmanned options to deliver this capability (lessons reportedly being learned from Ukraine regarding the survivability of helos over the battlefield).

FARA wasn't for a heavy attack helicopter, so not the same capability.

dead_pan 22nd Mar 2024 15:54


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11621523)
FARA wasn't for a heavy attack helicopter, so not the same capability.

Indeed however the view expressed about the survivability of helos is relevant. Even heavy attack rotorcraft are vulnerable nowadays. Russia and Ukraine have both lost many over the past 13 months

melmothtw 22nd Mar 2024 16:15


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11621562)
Indeed however the view expressed about the survivability of helos is relevant. Even heavy attack rotorcraft are vulnerable nowadays. Russia and Ukraine have both lost many over the past 13 months

Everything is vulnerable nowadays - tanks, ships, drones, aircraft, helicopters, even (especially!) soldiers. They're not all suddenly obsolete overnight though, and militaries (ours included) continue to invest heavily in attack helicopters which have a very different mission set to the scout role intended for FARA.

Ninthace 22nd Mar 2024 17:09


Originally Posted by minigundiplomat (Post 11621331)
If it's anything like the Chinese products I've ordered online in the past, it looks full size in the photographs, but turns up sized for Action Man and breaks on first use. I don't think we need to worry just yet.

But it will be dirt cheap and you can have as many as you want by yesterday.

NutLoose 22nd Mar 2024 18:20

Quite quiet.

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Sam W 22nd Mar 2024 22:33

As the U.S. Marines are ditching their tanks for more mobile firepower, it won’t have anything to shoot at if it can even reach the battle.


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