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nomorecatering 18th Mar 2024 02:40

Could the Boom Overture have a Military Application?
 
There is a long history of civilian aircraft being adapted to military roles. P8 Poseidon, Wedgetail AWACS, A330 MRT, KC10, KC767 etc etc

Could the Boom Ovature with it's M1.7 cruise speed and fairly long range work as a missile truck. The P8 has 2 x internal weapons bays. The Ovature could have a similar arangement to carry 30 or so long range cruise missles. Sort of like a low cost B1 sucessor.

Thoughts anyone?


ATSA1 18th Mar 2024 08:09

It will not get built, so no...

Ninthace 18th Mar 2024 08:39

Surely they still have the same issues as Concorde had? Noise and the boom. Calling your company Boom rather draws attention to it. As to military applications, would it be stealthy enough?

rattman 18th Mar 2024 11:28


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11618324)
Surely they still have the same issues as Concorde had? Noise and the boom. Calling your company Boom rather draws attention to it. As to military applications, would it be stealthy enough? It’s Boom Overture by the way


Firstly they are using the Nasa research on quiet sonic booms, also FAA are looking at changes to sonic boom moratorium and general noise conditions to make these style aircraft more practical as part of the concept has them as more fuel efficient than current jets

Video Mixdown 18th Mar 2024 12:34


Originally Posted by nomorecatering (Post 11618172)
There is a long history of civilian aircraft being adapted to military roles. P8 Poseidon, Wedgetail AWACS, A330 MRT, KC10, KC767 etc etc
Could the Boom Ovature with it's M1.7 cruise speed and fairly long range work as a missile truck. The P8 has 2 x internal weapons bays. The Ovature could have a similar arangement to carry 30 or so long range cruise missles. Sort of like a low cost B1 sucessor.
Thoughts anyone?

My thoughts are it's pretty depressing that on seeing a proposed new civilian airliner your first reaction is to ask how we can use it for war.

T28B 18th Mar 2024 12:49


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11618478)
My thoughts are it's pretty depressing that on seeing a proposed new civilian airliner your first reaction is to ask how we can use it for war.

Did you notice that this is the Military Aviation forum? ;)

Ohrly 18th Mar 2024 12:54

They are not only building their own supersonic airliner, but the engines as well.

I can't help but think that if there were real money to be made in this market Airbus or Boeing would be developing such a thing.

How many supersonic aircraft are there with "podded" engines? Never mind ones without reheat. I can think of a few from the 1950s, and that's about it.

melmothtw 18th Mar 2024 13:41


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11618324)
Surely they still have the same issues as Concorde had? Noise and the boom. Calling your company Boom rather draws attention to it. As to military applications, would it be stealthy enough?

The whole point of the Boom project is to fix those problems that Concorde had.

Ninthace 18th Mar 2024 15:02

Not sure how an aerodynamic look alike will do that - but one lives in hope. It reminds me of an enlarged B-58 Hustler

tdracer 18th Mar 2024 18:28

Hard to see how - given that drag increases as velocity squared - they can make an SST that has seat-mile fuel burn competitive with subsonic while going twice as fast. Mach 1.7 is too slow for any of the high efficiency 'exotic' jet engine philosophies to work (e.g. RAM/SCRAM jets), so unless there is some huge revolution in propulsion, they're still looking at low bypass turbofans...

grizzled 18th Mar 2024 18:28


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11618436)
the concept has them as more fuel efficient than current jets

Nope. Even the company (BOOM) says that's not the case. BOOM says the aircraft will not be as fuel efficient as current subsonic aircraft and "must use sustainable aviation fuel (SAF) and/or purchase high-quality carbon removal credits" to reduce the environmental impact. Check the current and predicted state of SAF.
And those civilian aircraft mentioned as examples in the initial post were all derivatives of proven airframes. If the Overture is built, and is operated by enough carriers for long enough, then we could reasonably discuss possible military uses. If you like the looks of this aircraft, buy a scale model and admire it on your desk. I'd wager that will be the only reminder a decade from now.

magyar_flyer 18th Mar 2024 19:33

If (very big if) this thing ever gets to being a certified airliner it is because DOD would have paid for it.
Not sure what value they would see in it (not saying it is not interesting but the cost will be astronomic).
So yes if it becomes reality there will be military use.

Lonewolf_50 18th Mar 2024 20:57

Just out of curiosity, will that be Mach 1.7 "in a dive" or in straight and level flight? (One would hope the latter ...)

Video Mixdown 18th Mar 2024 21:27


Originally Posted by magyar_flyer (Post 11618720)
If (very big if) this thing ever gets to being a certified airliner it is because DOD would have paid for it.
Not sure what value they would see in it (not saying it is not interesting but the cost will be astronomic).
So yes if it becomes reality there will be military use.

Why would anyone pay an astronomical cost to develop such an aircraft, then pay as much again to convert it for some unspecified military role? Are there not enough proper (and also astronomically expensive) military aircraft projects already on the books?

artee 18th Mar 2024 21:35


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11618765)
Just out of curiosity, will that be Mach 1.7 "in a dive" or in straight and level flight? (One would hope the latter ...)

Mach 1.7? Why bother...

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bfbf287497.jpg

Commander Taco 19th Mar 2024 03:17

There was an excellent Aviation Week “Check Six” podcast about a year ago discussing the numerous challenges this project faces. The panel also had quite a bit to say (not in a good way) of how this aircraft is being marketed. Worth the listen.

falcon900 19th Mar 2024 08:46

Meanwhile, back on planet earth……

Davef68 19th Mar 2024 09:20

Military applications for a large supersonic transport aircraft - rapid transport for SF teams in crisis situations?

meleagertoo 19th Mar 2024 10:40


​​​​purchase high-quality carbon removal credits​​​
The catholic Church ran a nice little scam just like that for hundreds of years - paying to 'remove' sins...
Didn't prevent the sins from happening in the first place though, nor did it ameliorate their after-effects. It just made the scammers very very rich and the sinners passed themselves off publicly as pious, virtuous and forgiven. Ha!

rien plus ça change!

Captain Dart 23rd Mar 2024 21:44

'Boom' demonstrator has flown, with the military interested. They must have read Davef68's post!

https://www.twz.com/air/booms-xb-1-s...s-to-the-skies


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