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SLXOwft 1st Mar 2024 13:00


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11606866)
Out of interest are the Tranche 1's actually flyers, or have they been Christmas Tree'd for parts, I was told ages ago they used to move some of the Christmas Tree'd aircraft about at night to avoid Joe public seeing them.

AFAIK: A few are in storage at Shawbury but others are active; a quick goggle for ZJ913 (the earliest unstored serial) shows it was flying at Coningsby in January, and it has been seen recently with 29 Sqdn.

Finningley Boy 1st Mar 2024 15:14


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11606628)
The country spent £200 billion (and counting) on Brexit. Appreciate no one wants to hear the B word anymore, but it's a bit rich for the Daily Mail and others who pushed for it to now complain we don't have any money.

We're always told how much poorer we are because of Brexit, usually by the same people (I dare say yourself accepted) who insist that we can take in any number of migrants and spend more on foreign aid because we're the 5th or 6th largest economy on the planet for God's sake!

FB

charliegolf 1st Mar 2024 16:33

If an extra £20bn were made available tomorrow we'd all have to hope nothing it might buy would be needed in the next 5 years. You could make that £20bn for the next 5 years, same outcome. It's not only money...

CG

Not_a_boffin 1st Mar 2024 16:50


Originally Posted by charliegolf (Post 11607043)
If an extra £20bn were made available tomorrow we'd all have to hope nothing it might buy would be needed in the next 5 years. You could make that £20bn for the next 5 years, same outcome. It's not only money...

CG

The best thing that extra £20 bn could be used for would be fixing the people issues.

Timmy Tomkins 2nd Mar 2024 09:49

We have US style taxation with pretentions of EU & Scandi public services - the sums don't add up.

\we slso see politicians led by marketing people rather being able to convince the electorate of our real priorities.

dagenham 2nd Mar 2024 12:30


Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins (Post 11607481)
We have US style taxation with pretentions of EU & Scandi public services - the sums don't add up.

\we slso see politicians led by marketing people rather being able to convince the electorate of our real priorities.

lots of rubbish on here about the us. You are taxed far higher than I was in the us. My max rate was 36 percent after AMT. I could save money for health commuting etc pre tax !!

health care wise after the IRA act if your over 65 or below poverty line you are very well treated for not a lot - NY Medicare advantage plan 38 bucks a month plus 10buck if I see my gp or 30 bucks if a specialist. Max spend is now 2000 bucks a year. I get seen straightaway and a doctor of my choosing.

We need to get a grip on social and health spending in the U.K. if any party was going to seriously look at this I would vote for them. The nhs is way beyond broken.

Sue Vêtements 2nd Mar 2024 13:00


Originally Posted by Mogwi (Post 11606767)
“Si vis pacem, para bellum” actually. If you desire peace, prepare for war. Thank you Renatus (and Plato previously). Incidentally, this is where the name of the 9mm round comes from.

Mog


For the longest time, I thought those big houses like in Gone with the Wind were anti-bellum, then one day I realised they were ante-bellum :8

skydiver69 2nd Mar 2024 17:00

Aren't these the two squadrons of T1 Typhhons which the RAF found money to keep in front line duty for a short term as QRA in around 2010 when other T1s were being taken out of service?

cynicalint 2nd Mar 2024 23:00

I suppose we could legitimately call the RAF a "Track and Trace Organization" and qualify for £30 billion to be spent in three months!

artee 3rd Mar 2024 03:19


Originally Posted by cynicalint (Post 11607836)
I suppose we could legitimately call the RAF a "Track and Trace Organization" and qualify for £30 billion to be spent in three months!

That only works if Tory mates can get their snouts in the trough :bored:

4everAD 3rd Mar 2024 05:16


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11606775)
I always believed the Defence of the Realm was the first priority of any Government.

The first priority of this government is to get re-elected, everything else can go to hell in a hand cart as far as they're concerned.

pr00ne 3rd Mar 2024 07:19


Originally Posted by skydiver69 (Post 11607675)
Aren't these the two squadrons of T1 Typhhons which the RAF found money to keep in front line duty for a short term as QRA in around 2010 when other T1s were being taken out of service?

No, they are not.

Finningley Boy 3rd Mar 2024 18:19


Originally Posted by 4everAD (Post 11607912)
The first priority of this government is to get re-elected, everything else can go to hell in a hand cart as far as they're concerned.

And the next Government , regardless of political colour, will be exactly the same.

FB

Doctor Cruces 4th Mar 2024 10:57

Speaking as one who has worked in the NHS, the monetary problems are mostly caused by much of their budget going straight into the pockets of private companies doing things the NHS are perfectly capable of doing themselved but a much inflated cost. For example, the water heater in our toilets consistently broke down several times a week. Serco, who provided the maintenance for us, made much more money by charging us £25 (in 2017 so it's probably a LOT more expensive now) just to attend several times a week, then an exorbitand hourly rate messing around for a few hours trying to fix it plus inflated spares prices when just fitting a new one would have been much cheaper and much more cost effective for the NHS.

Biggus 4th Mar 2024 12:27

Doctor Cruces,

But no doubt "fixing" it came out of the maintenance budget, which had some money, but the cost of replacing it would have come out of the "procurement" budget, which was already spent....

And never the two budgets shall meet...

Or something along those lines...

staircase 4th Mar 2024 13:32

Budget problems are everywhere not just the public service. I remember my father in the '70's using Golden Treacle instead of resin on a drive belt because it was a fraction of the price, whereas when the belt had to be replaced it came from the maintenance budget.

My last job was the same in the noughties. Generator US so no ETOPS and an extra '90 mins for every Atlantic crossing. The engineers said it was fit to fly so their budget was not paying for the hotel bills and down time. Operations/fuel departments would not ground it since they said it was an engineering cost, and the pilot management sat on their hands and kept their mouths shut.

Was it the accountants or crap management not banging some heads together to blame?


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