What would you give to Ukraine
To repel Russia and terminate the conflict? And why?
No nukes allowed. |
Ask the Ukrainians, they know what they need and should have had it when they had the initiative
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I fully agree, and I share your frustration.
My question was to start a discussion on what weapons and systems would be best for such conflict and why. |
As much anti aircraft and missile systems as they need. As much artillery ammunition as they can use. Long range (500km +) missiles.
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An assassin in the Kremlin.
or Their Tu-22M's, Tu-160's & nukes back so that this didn't start in the 1st place. |
Everything they need.
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Whatever they ask for, immediately!
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And more.allow them to use Western supplied weapons against Russia, long range missiles,
and I would give them the nuclear capability to destroy Moscow, St Petersburg and Sochi and only then might they withdraw and stay out. . |
Originally Posted by Fitter2
(Post 11598965)
As much anti aircraft and missile systems as they need. As much artillery ammunition as they can use. Long range (500km +) missiles.
It is easy to give away if you have. Looking at the state of affairs in basically all European Countries there is a serious balance to be taken. And yes I truly condemn those politicos who perpetrated that. And yes, I would love to give to Ukraine whatever it takes. I'm afraid we are simply not in a position to do so without critically sacrificing our own ability to defend ourselves afterwards should Ukraine still run out of soldiers (which still is a possibility -after all many, many fled the Country and they are now down to 1/4 of Russia's Population (from a little bit less than 1/3rd), in the relevant demography part potentially even worse). |
A-10s. Lots of them.
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Putin. In chains....
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Time to turn the tide.
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This makes no sense. How - after two years of war - when one asuumes close and real counts of munitions have been made,, can so much ammo have beemn " misplaced " ? It is also far too much ( I guess ) o hav been stored in one depot, so how can distributed stocks have been "forgotten " ?
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If the West decides to supply Ukraine with everything it needs, taking one country as an example the UK, how would it do so?
I would imagine the UK doesn't have a vast munitions stockpile. Most likely it is geared up to a small, limited war of a few months, perhaps a year and then it's resupply capability is also very limited. Just enougth. Ukraine requires millions of rounds, tens of thousands of shells. Tanks, aircraft, drones, radios, helmets you name it. The only way I can see the UK supplying all that is to go on a war footing and turn industry over to war production. As no country has done that exactly how will the West supply Ukraine with `every thing it needs`? Russia IS on a war footing and IS ramping up production. Unless the West does something quickly Russia will win by sheer weight of numbers. |
This makes no sense. How - after two years of war - when one asuumes close and real counts of munitions have been made,, can so much ammo have beemn " misplaced " ? It is also far too much ( I guess ) o hav been stored in one depot, so how can distributed stocks have been "forgotten " ? At the moment the French, amongst the other EU manufacturers, are saying no, they keep the funds and just deliver late. In the meantime the Ukrainians at the front are dying for lack of shells…. |
Shell stocks and production are one thing. But whatever happened to those darned F-16s? Or A-10s for that matter. Honestly, what are the Red forces going to do about it? Threaten nuking their own neighbourhood for the hundredth time? Just get on with it.
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Perhaps a combined SAS/Seal Team 6 group at various locations in Russia briefed to elminate Putin, Lavrov, etc simultaneously ?
NEO |
Originally Posted by Nigerian Expat Outlaw
(Post 11599406)
Perhaps a combined SAS/Seal Team 6 group at various locations in Russia briefed to elminate Putin, Lavrov, etc simultaneously ?
NEO |
One of the problems is although the EU is struggling to supply artillery shells, they are also selling them to other countries that they have contracts and deadlines with, which they cannot renage on, so part of their output is unfortunately for other armies.
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11599165)
This makes no sense. How - after two years of war - when one asuumes close and real counts of munitions have been made,, can so much ammo have beemn " misplaced " ? It is also far too much ( I guess ) o hav been stored in one depot, so how can distributed stocks have been "forgotten " ?
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