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iwalkedaway 12th Jan 2024 09:20

The Harry Legend...?
 
Sorry - but Prince Harry as "a living legend of aviation"??? Another example of airheads united? Whatever is happening to the world...?

Could be considered essentially a good lad - did his bit - off the rails subsequently - but really...a living legend?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...y-los-angeles/


MPN11 12th Jan 2024 09:23


Retired British Army Colonel Richard Kemp said the awards were about “celebrities massaging each other’s egos.”
​​​​​​​That sums it up, really.

Video Mixdown 12th Jan 2024 10:34


Originally Posted by iwalkedaway (Post 11574477)
Sorry - but Prince Harry as "a living legend of aviation"??? Another example of airheads united? Whatever is happening to the world...?
Could be considered essentially a good lad - did his bit - off the rails subsequently - but really...a living legend?

I think there are several members of this very forum who would be far more worthy recipients.

rugmuncher 12th Jan 2024 10:58

More like a living "Bell-end".

ShyTorque 12th Jan 2024 11:08

Give the man due respect for his time on operations.

But it might be more acceptable if pronounced “leg end”.

Maxibon 12th Jan 2024 12:00

Probably not a legend but give the man some slack; whilst may be he's had some errors of judgement he's had to put up with being thrust into the limelight through an 'unchooseable' birth line; he had to walk behind his dead mother in front of the entire planet's gaze, and see the vitriol that ensued upon her and his choices. He pushed the Invictus games and served on ops twice and was respected by his peers. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and one never knows what's going on in his 'human' brain. Yes he's made choices the majority of us probably wouldn't make but calling him a bell-end or such is a bit ungenerous.

meleagertoo 12th Jan 2024 12:15

Bear in mind that a "legend" is an apocryphal story about things long in the past that almost certainly isn't true...or at the very best is vastly over-inflated.

SASless 12th Jan 2024 12:57

One would think the poor guy was a red headed bastard step child at a family reunion the way some folks go on.

I . think the legitimate target should be the donor and not the recipient.

What say ya'll train your guns on the real target.


Tocsin 12th Jan 2024 15:14

I agree that the target should be (mostly) the award-ers, but surely they checked with him first that he would accept? In which case, he is continuing to show a lack of situational awareness.

Red Line Entry 12th Jan 2024 17:10

The funniest part of the whole thing is Lord West running to the papers to say they’re just chasing publicity! :D

Finningley Boy 12th Jan 2024 18:20

I was never entirely certin whether HRH Harry was a trained pilot or a Weapons Officer/Observer, I'm not sure of the precise term the Army use for their "Back Seaters", however, if there is one thing for certain, Prince Harry has had a complete change of admirers since he married the delectable Meghan.

His cheer leaders today are the kind of people who before hand might have sneered at the Royal Familiy indeed leaned toward Republicanism.

Pre-2018, when everyone thought the world was moving on into broad sunlit uplands with Harry and Meg's tying of the knot, and before personal staff assigned to Meghan started leaving their posts for personal reasons, Harry's chief cheer leaders were typical Royalists. His sneering and mocking enemies could be found in the left wing end of the media and political circles, which now defend him with bulging eyed intemperance.

I recall a one time Labour MP, Emma Dent-Coad, mocking the good Prince in the most contemptuous fashion, he "can't actually fly a helicopter" - "he just sits there going 'vroom vroom'. Was a more typical regard from those who are now in his fan club. All before, of course, he and Meghan got married, then shoved it up the Royal Family and got down with the glitarati and various leftleaning causes.

FB

Maxibon 13th Jan 2024 15:53


Originally Posted by Finningley Boy (Post 11574909)
I was never entirely certin whether HRH Harry was a trained pilot or a Weapons Officer/Observer, I'm not sure of the precise term the Army use for their "Back Seaters", however, if there is one thing for certain, Prince Harry has had a complete change of admirers since he married the delectable Meghan.

His cheer leaders today are the kind of people who before hand might have sneered at the Royal Familiy indeed leaned toward Republicanism.

Pre-2018, when everyone thought the world was moving on into broad sunlit uplands with Harry and Meg's tying of the knot, and before personal staff assigned to Meghan started leaving their posts for personal reasons, Harry's chief cheer leaders were typical Royalists. His sneering and mocking enemies could be found in the left wing end of the media and political circles, which now defend him with bulging eyed intemperance.

I recall a one time Labour MP, Emma Dent-Coad, mocking the good Prince in the most contemptuous fashion, he "can't actually fly a helicopter" - "he just sits there going 'vroom vroom'. Was a more typical regard from those who are now in his fan club. All before, of course, he and Meghan got married, then shoved it up the Royal Family and got down with the glitarati and various leftleaning causes.

FB

both pilots in an AH64; rear is driver, front does the fun stuff. Both trained for both roles.

langleybaston 13th Jan 2024 16:15


Originally Posted by Maxibon (Post 11575480)
both pilots in an AH64; rear is driver, front does the fun stuff. Both trained for both roles.

Which is captain please?

Biggus 13th Jan 2024 18:00

There is talk on the Telegraph thread on this subject that the award is given by a charity, and that you can be "nominated" if you make a sufficient donation - not unusual in America apparently.

Hopefully someone on here can confirm/deny that shortly.

ex-fast-jets 13th Jan 2024 18:13

Harry did some good stuff - if you have not been at the end of some pointy stuff in a hostile environment, then think before you comment.

It matters not whether he was in the front cockpit or the rear cockpit - the AH-64 needed both.

It also needed some folk to arm the helo, service it, and send it on its merry way.

So lots of people to achieve the task,

Everyone linked to the task was both involved and a part of its accomplishment.

Harry was just one of those links - but for a Royal who could have stayed at home and away, and kept his distance and just shown up in fancy uniform - he didn't.

What has happened since is not for me to judge, and it should not detract from what he did when he did it.

I am not saying he is a "legend" - but some who think they are "legends" are more so in their own mind.

Give him some slack.

Just my opinion.

MG 13th Jan 2024 18:35


Give him some slack
Err…no.

the award is an insult to those on here who did many more operations, and/or achieved much in advancing the good cause of aviation over a far longer period.

DAHenriques 13th Jan 2024 18:40

This is an interesting subject.
I do believe that as a wild ass colonial and thus simply an "honorary British subject" I should leave any attempt at meaningful comment to my many friends in the United Kingdom.
I will say however that the tag of "Living Legend" is not one to be bandied about loosely in the world of aviation where there exist so many worthy of the title not having officially received it.
I'm not at all sure what the right answer should be for Harry. There are good and not so good things that can be said about his life, and anyone's life actually.
I think were I Harry in this instance I would consider the company I share in my aviation world and politely and respectfully decline the honor while thanking those responsible for their consideration.
Dudley Henriques


Finningley Boy 13th Jan 2024 19:02


Originally Posted by Maxibon (Post 11575480)
both pilots in an AH64; rear is driver, front does the fun stuff. Both trained for both roles.

I thought so but wasn't sure, yet a bit of research would have confirmed it.

FB

421dog 13th Jan 2024 19:02

An acquaintance of mine flew Hueys in vietnam. He has seven DFCs. After he got out he became an electrician for the Post Office for the next 30 years.
Against his wishes, he was named to the Michigan aviation hall of fame a couple of years ago.
That’s a legend…

421dog 13th Jan 2024 19:59


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11575497)
Which is captain please?

The guy who needs a wheelbarrow for his wedding tackle….


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