Everyone getting wrapped up in the rights, and wrongs of us striking back. They attacked our ships. Isn't that good enough?
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Not sure it is. Return fire, knock out the bogey but beyond that, surely it depends on the ROE in force?
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11575407)
I noticed on the Beeb news last night that the third F18 seemed to go off the cat dry. Surely this isn’t SOP. There also seemed to be some flashes from under the wings just as it went out of shot, which made me wonder if it was a “clear wing” moment.
Anyone with F18 experience out there have a view? Mog you can take a shot in mil if the bird is below 43,000 ( or there abouts ) and need max if above. There where some issues with fan stalls back in the day and you where advised not to go to ab as it would clear. Not sure of the score now |
Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier
(Post 11575364)
Indeed, one wonders if protecting the Chinese trade effort is the best use of UK taxpayers money.
Back in the day, when the British empire was the world's larges trading entity, the Royal Navy was the world's largest in order to protect that trade. Seems like China has been getting a free ride at UK/US expense. Yes, China is the biggest, but they are far from being alone. |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11575557)
Not sure it is. Return fire, knock out the bogey but beyond that, surely it depends on the ROE in force?
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Not quite first hand
Originally Posted by Mogwi
(Post 11575407)
I noticed on the Beeb news last night that the third F18 seemed to go off the cat dry. Surely this isn’t SOP. There also seemed to be some flashes from under the wings just as it went out of shot, which made me wonder if it was a “clear wing” moment.
Anyone with F18 experience out there have a view? Mog |
Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 11575659)
Is not "shoot the archer not the arrow" the current mantra? And cheaper in the long run.
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China has a PLA(N) base in Djibouti, but keeps out of the whole affair.
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Really not sure what the strategy is here.
The US and UK are painted as taking this action in isolation. Why should they protect the shipping routes for Italy, France, Germany etc? Also, the intention to strike was telegraphed to the media in advance, giving the Houthis time to prepare, so this doesn't seem like a serious effort to me? |
Originally Posted by CISTRS
(Post 11575745)
China has a PLA(N) base in Djibouti, but keeps out of the whole affair.
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Wouldn't this be some UN business? Does this mean no more UN action to protect global trade routes? Will the security council be unable to act anywhere due to Russia's war with Ukraine?
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The Security Council can only act if they agree - or more likely no-one objects. Russia will almost certainly object
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11575557)
Not sure it is. Return fire, knock out the bogey but beyond that, surely it depends on the ROE in force?
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Originally Posted by B Fraser
(Post 11575956)
.......followed by waiting for them to do it again ?
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And then we will hit them again.....hard as we can. I believe that several nations support the action taken by the US and UK. Nay pussy foot allowed.
Maybe we share out the costs of this little visit just like a layover meal down route. OK who had the Blooming Onion and extra beers? |
Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11576016)
That;s pretty much what they were doing before the recent raids and probably what they are doing now,
The attacks can and will be detected and the missiles destroyed. The launch facilities can and will be destroyed. The retaliatory strikes mounted so far amount to little more than a firepower demonstration. There is nothing they can do to prevent them. |
We were discussing the situation from the Captains' point of view and the possibility of shooting back. If you are in a naval vessel on the receiving end, not that much has changed tactically - still on the look out for incoming and engaging it before it can hit its target. Hopefully, from their point of view, the enemy has less intelligence on the course and speed of potential targets and perhaps less ammunition at his disposal.
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It’s far cheaper to drop a couple of Paveway IV bombs at $30K a shot to destroy xx number of drones or SRBM at once than to later use $1M+ Aster missiles to intercept them one at a time….
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11576230)
It’s far cheaper to drop a couple of Paveway IV bombs at $30K a shot to destroy xx number of drones or SRBM at once than to later use $1M+ Aster missiles to intercept them one at a time….
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11576242)
Indeed it is, but foreign policy is not necessarily conducted by accountants and the consequences of dropping said Paveway(s) may be far more costly than the price of the bomb or a shipload of missiles.
Mog |
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