Warship Tour of duty, 7pm BBC2 covers the F35 accident
Title says it all. It’s the F-35 jet launch disaster episode.
so I take it is the one over the side in the ogging. Sky channel 102 |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11528107)
Title says it all. It’s the F-35 jet launch disaster episode.
so I take it is the one over the side in the ogging. Sky channel 102 |
Given that my £5,000 car won’t start unless the clutch is depressed, it amazes me that a cutting-edge technology £xxx million jet can get as far as trying to take off with an engine blank installed. Staggering.
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Read the BoI.
engine blanks were simply the last in a huge and quite concerning error chain. |
I take it the shotgun used to scare the birds were firing some of these and not just standard cartridges.
https://www.wildlifecontrolsupplies....NWS15MMBB.html I am surprised in this day and age they do not have something built into the ramp similar to something like this https://portek.co.uk/portfolio/scatt...aring-gas-gun/ rather have three men and a shotgun having to walk down the front and let rip with a shotgun. |
Navy Lookout's long and highly critical take on the event and the investigation findings: The F-35 accident report – a reality check for UK Carrier Strike | Navy Lookout
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Every jet that I’ve worked on with twin intakes had the two blanks connected and a warning flag. Basics that seem to have been forgotten in this new air force.
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Originally Posted by dctyke
(Post 11528210)
Every jet that I’ve worked on with twin intakes had the two blanks connected and a warning flag. Basics that seem to have been forgotten in this new air force.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11528202)
Navy Lookout's long and highly critical take on the event and the investigation findings: The F-35 accident report – a reality check for UK Carrier Strike | Navy Lookout
I don't think there is a positive sentence in that entire report! |
Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme
(Post 11528284)
I don't think there is a positive sentence in that entire report!
"...A Royal Navy Board of Inquiry led by an experienced Fleet Air Arm fixed wing carrier pilot and supported by a Naval Air Engineer and a Surgeon Commander would undoubtedly have addressed all these important issues [five listed earlier] and produced a more concise and relevant Report...." |
Originally Posted by SpazSinbad
(Post 11528312)
You'll have fun with SHARKEY take on event & report then. “With the RAF in charge we are Sunk!” 26 Sep 2023 https://hermajestystopgun.com/with-t...e-we-are-sunk/
"...A Royal Navy Board of Inquiry led by an experienced Fleet Air Arm fixed wing carrier pilot and supported by a Naval Air Engineer and a Surgeon Commander would undoubtedly have addressed all these important issues [five listed earlier] and produced a more concise and relevant Report...." And what does Sharkey think demanded an experienced Fleet Air Arm fixed wing carrier pilot? The accident was nothing to do with pilot handling, all the error chains being organisational or human factor-related. As for a Surgeon Commander, only if he or she had some serious HF knowledge that would be unusual for the medical profession; it is why the AAIB has an HF Inspector and not a doctor on the team. |
And what does Sharkey think demanded an experienced Fleet Air Arm fixed wing carrier pilot? The accident was nothing to do with pilot handling, all the error chains being organisational or human factor-related. As for a Surgeon Commander, only if he or she had some serious HF knowledge that would be unusual for the medical profession; it is why the AAIB has an HF Inspector and not a doctor on the team. I guess it is career suicide for any light blue officer to suggest that naval aviation is anything more than aviation from a floating airfield, but this accident drives that point home. |
I don't think it really matters who or what wrote the report. In short order an interim report should have been issued to DG DSA:
'Once again an accident has been caused by the total breakdown of all eight Defence Lines of Development. Our recommendation is to do what you're meant to be doing'. But that would need an SI president who was retiring that same day...! |
This was first aired on the BBC programme back in the Spring. Lots of embarrassed faces around. Can't recall if the carrier's commander left his post before or immediately after - cause or effect?
The pilot had one helluva shaving rash, a consequence of the det cord in the canopy. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11528191)
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I am surprised in this day and age they do not have something built into the ramp similar to something like this https://portek.co.uk/portfolio/scatt...aring-gas-gun/ rather have three men and a shotgun having to walk down the front and let rip with a shotgun. |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11528542)
This was first aired on the BBC programme back in the Spring. Lots of embarrassed faces around. Can't recall if the carrier's commander left his post before or immediately after - cause or effect?.
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Every jet that I’ve worked on with twin intakes had the two blanks connected and a warning flag. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11528202)
Navy Lookout's long and highly critical take on the event and the investigation findings: The F-35 accident report – a reality check for UK Carrier Strike | Navy Lookout
It still tickles me that in spite of this, the BoI report had an unredacted photo down the intake, but redacted captions on pictures of the ski ramp and deck lift!(Although someone suggested that the photo may be of a mock-up rather than a real F-35) In this instance, the Government Special Access Programme Security Officer (GSSO) responsible for maintaining the secrecy of some aspects of the F-35, ordered them to be fitted for the visit to Oman and the transit of the Suez Canal, although gave no instruction when they should be removed. The intake ducting is designed to shield the fan at the front of the F-35’s engine from radar in order to help maintain the aircraft’s stealth. This feature is covered when it might be viewed close up by those without security clearance. |
Even 30 + years ago I had to certify in the (civilian HS748) Tech Log that all pitot/static covers, gear pins and engine blanks had been removed before flight. What's the RAF/RN/AAC paperwork process to prevent oversights these days?
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Originally Posted by Davef68
(Post 11528561)
Before - handover was in the Far East. But you can't blame him for the systemic failures that caused the crash.
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