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WE Branch Fanatic 27th Jul 2023 17:48

Question - Cold War RN carriers
 
Here is something for veterans of the the 1960/1970s RN carriers and Scimitar/Sea Vixen/Phantom days.

It is not hard to find 1980s pictures of Sea Harriers intercepting Soviet Bears, but not at all easy to find pictures of RN carrierborne fighters intercepting the Soviets during the 1960s or 1970s. Why not? Surely the Soviet Naval Air Force turned up regularly during NATO exercises, and the carriers would have launched aircraft to intercept?

One interception during the 1970 Exercise Northern Wedding was captured on camera - see here and here. Were any other interceptions caught on camera? Were Ministers informed of them? Why did long range interception (and the NATO theatre) not form part of the staff work for CVA-01?

Does anyone have any tales of being catapulted off the intercept the bogey for real?

Bing 28th Jul 2023 08:48

There was mention in I think Tuggs obituary that when he was running the Phot section on Eagle they'd had multiple visits from the Soviets and each time they'd tried getting photos of the Vixens in formation the cameras had failed. In the end he knocked up a composite image, which I seem to remember ended up raising more questions than he'd have liked.

meleagertoo 28th Jul 2023 09:50

Something to do with the ready availability of light, compact, reliable camers that came in the '80s?

Imagegear 28th Jul 2023 11:13

Ark Royal, 1971, many really good interception photos were taken of Phantoms and Bears which were quickly disemminated to Ships Crew periodically.

Bucs also on Deck but rarely saw any Buc photos

I had some for years.

IG


safetypee 28th Jul 2023 12:36

Re #2, Bing
Significant truth in that event.

A photo from my 23 Sqn F6 interception of a Badger included a Sea Vixen, which for some reason was in stand off mode. The navy acquired a copy which was doctored to enlarge the Sea Vixen - moved it closer to the Russian aircraft.
The fake was spotted by a national newspaper; however the 'airships' in command decided not to help the Navy, instead saving the photo for a rainy day.

Davef68 28th Jul 2023 13:39


Originally Posted by Bing (Post 11475318)
There was mention in I think Tuggs obituary that when he was running the Phot section on Eagle they'd had multiple visits from the Soviets and each time they'd tried getting photos of the Vixens in formation the cameras had failed. In the end he knocked up a composite image, which I seem to remember ended up raising more questions than he'd have liked.

This one maybe?

https://www.agefotostock.com/age/en/...24-baf-k09-010

Davef68 28th Jul 2023 13:42

This was Northern Wedding 1978

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....555aaf9875.jpg

son of brommers 28th Jul 2023 14:17

I'm sure that my old man had photos of the Soviets that he'd taken from either Ark or Eagle, can't remember if it was from a Bucc or on-board. Many years since I've been through his slides so my memory may be incorrect. I know that he spoke about dumping fuel from a Bucc on a Russian "trawler" that was in a bombing range (possibly Tain?)

Sleeve Wing 31st Jul 2023 11:35

SoBrommers.
Soviet "Trawlers" were an irritation off Rosehearty range back in the early/mid 60s. We never had time for pictures though.
However the LABS euipped Buccs may have picked them up off Garvie Island at that time. Fuel dumping was perfectly legal !
Also remember seeing a "trawler", bristling with aerials, leaving the Rosehearty area at very high speed, following a piggyback pair of RPs dropping conveniently close. All SOP of course !

Geriaviator 31st Jul 2023 11:53

Post #6 Vixen photo above appears to carry fuselage number 125. If so, I think it's the one preserved at Duxford.


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