Moving the black dog’s grave?
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When I was based at Scampton over thirty years ago the rumour was that the grave didn’t actually contain Gibson’s dog’s remains because they were under one of the buildings built sometime after the initial burial, the station gymnasium iirc.
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Why would you remove remains due to potentially housing migrants. It doesn't follow.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
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When I was based at Scampton over thirty years ago the rumour was that the grave didn’t actually contain Gibson’s dog’s remains because they were under one of the buildings built sometime after the initial burial, the station gymnasium iirc.
As an aside, one would imagine the fallout at Scampton had the dog's old headstone been in place when the asylum seekers arrived....... |
Originally Posted by ahwalk01
(Post 11433431)
Why would you remove remains due to potentially housing migrants. It doesn't follow.
Fear of accusations of racism/religious offence to the new inmates... |
Maybe the name “Digger” is more appropriate than first thought…
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Each new crew on 617 had to tend the grave in front of the squadron offices (did it myself in 1978), typically for about six weeks. Every one knew, however, that he had been buried somewhere near the airmen's mess.
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Originally Posted by Wensleydale
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As an aside, one would imagine the fallout at Scampton had the dog's old headstone been in place when the asylum seekers arrived.......
Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 11433446)
I'd have thought the answer pretty obvious in this crazy day and age.
Fear of accusations of racism/religious offence to the new inmates... |
Originally Posted by ahwalk01
(Post 11433431)
Why would you remove remains due to potentially housing migrants. It doesn't follow.
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I have a bit of an issue about this. It wasn't a racist remark in context, but rather the name of a much-loved dog. In this day and age, I wouldn't dream of using the word in a derogatory way, but YOU CAN'T GO CHANGING HISTORY. We now have the ridiculous situation where, in the last iteration I saw, the dog is referred to as "Trigger", but the code for the breach is, "Tigger". Offensive to the fans of Winnie the Pooh?
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy
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Each new crew on 617 had to tend the grave in front of the squadron offices (did it myself in 1978), typically for about six weeks. Every one knew, however, that he had been buried somewhere near the airmen's mess.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Circle
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Really? Or fear of someone closer to home being offended on their behalf?
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I heard the rumours that it was empty too, maybe a case in this instance of barking up the wrong hole. still they could always have a back up dogs remains to chuck in the hole...
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Maybe the most appropriate place for the headstone is now the RAF Museum. Obviously, with the dog's name chiselled off and replaced by a subtitle...not.
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Locals are not happy.
https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2023/05/...y-gibsons-dog/ Plans to move the grave of Wing Commander Guy Gibson’s dog from RAF Scampton to RAF Marham have been called a “kick in the teeth” for the community. The RAF applied to West Lindsey District Council to move the grave from the hanger to the current base for the 617 Squadron in Norfolk. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11433714)
Imagine how unhappy they'll be when they discover that there is nothing there to move. Best place for the none-dog to go would be Woodhall Spa (Dambuster's Memorial) . Not much chance of turning that location into an Asylum Centre. Marham on the other hand will be on a Home Office list of potential sites - not near the top yet, but it'll on a list. |
The lovely Petwood Hotel nearby also could be considered - Twas the official Squadrons Officers 'mess'' IIRC >?
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The ‘need’ to move the grave was an issue when Scampton was up for disposal in the 1990s shortly after I went through CFS there. The story I heard at the time was that the dog was pretty unpopular with the ‘erks’ as he tended to crap everywhere, when Gibson tasked one of his NCOs with burying the dog at midnight, as they were attacking the first dam, he in turn detailed a couple of airmen for the task.
They simply chucked the body over a hedge outside the camp then disturbed the earth in the flowerbed and reported ‘job done’. So the gravesite is just symbolic. To move it though does seem unnecessary, if the migrants really took offence (should they even understand the significance) then it could serve as a first adjustment to life in a new land, one with its own history that shouldn’t be wiped away in a frenzy to accommodate people that have illegally entered the country. |
Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
(Post 11433731)
Imagine how unhappy they'll be when they discover that there is nothing there to move.
Best place for the none-dog to go would be Woodhall Spa (Dambuster's Memorial) . Not much chance of turning that location into an Asylum Centre. Marham on the other hand will be on a Home Office list of potential sites - not near the top yet, but it'll on a list. |
Originally Posted by Ken Scott
(Post 11433759)
So the gravesite is just symbolic. To move it though does seem unnecessary, if the migrants really took offence (should they even understand the significance) then it could serve as a first adjustment to life in a new land, one with its own history that shouldn’t be wiped away in a frenzy to accommodate people that have illegally entered the country.
Single question: Are you offended by this piece of heritage? If answer yes, an immediate free transfer to Rwanda. If answer no, application may proceed normally. |
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