Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11427501)
Surely removeable batteries are the way forward? Turn around times can be as quick as taking out a battery and putting a new one in. The recharging can happen overnight. Or is that too simple to work?
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if the batteries catch fire through thermal runaway, there is only one boldface drill. Try hard to get out. Really hard. I do hope a BRS will not be used to mitigate away occupant parachutes.
Mostly batteries are not removable as they're built in to wing and nose spaces in most electric designs at this scale. There may be requirements around thermal cycling and the number of fast charges that can be carried out over the life of the battery. If you wanted removable batteries you'd put them in pods or panniers, not within the aircraft. |
Battery packs
Having seen a small Li Ion pack on fire I'd like an electric aircraft to have jettison able batteries - so a drop tank style thing to get it away from you whilst maintaining CG.
The fires are ferocious - |
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 11427501)
Surely removeable batteries are the way forward? Turn around times can be as quick as taking out a battery and putting a new one in. The recharging can happen overnight. Or is that too simple to work?
BV CG |
I've been wondering about this too, since the Ethiopian 787s with battery fires damaging the fuselage and more recently fires on electric cars. As for the e-bikes and scooters which are burning down houses ...
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Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11428019)
"We'll buy 40 if they have 'easy-change' batteries as standard.", ought to do the trick.
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11425986)
Middle is not too flattering either, perhaps it's pregnant.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d86dd74a2f.jpg That’s what it looks like to me…. |
Originally Posted by Geriaviator
(Post 11428039)
I've been wondering about this too, since the Ethiopian 787s with battery fires damaging the fuselage and more recently fires on electric cars. As for the e-bikes and scooters which are burning down houses ...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour..._MswQqe8pU_WGu Are electric car fires really that common? - The Car Expert |
But when they do catch fire.....
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Of course AVGAS burns pretty well too! As this chap found out when his light aircraft in Florida caught fire in flight.
https://www.ladbible.com/community/i...-body-20210517 |
Originally Posted by charliegolf
(Post 11427055)
Don't the batteries come on racks, like older avionics boxes did? If so, buy more batteries- keep em charged. Be like an actual refuel.
This battery powered utopia is pie-in-the-sky, and the most likely eventual outcome is a population scavenging around in the dirt for food scaps, surrounded by toxic piles of expensive, unuseable electronic junk. And all because there isnt enough electricty generation to run, or charge, any of it, never mind manufacture anything vaguely useful. You'll have to harness your children to a plough just to attempt growing a few vegetables. 🙄 |
An airfield could be a giant solar panel farm, of course. Might discourage the birds too...
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Originally Posted by deeceethree
(Post 11428321)
I'd like to know where all this electricity is going to come from? The UK doesn't have energy security now, and no realistic, believable plan to create it. There is just this lemming-like mentality that expects everyone will buy electric cars (and where is the infrastructure, never mind the energy, for them?), and other assorted green nonsense, when as it is, there is barely enough electricity generation to cover lighting, computers, phones, tablets, the millions of other battery powered items, the Cloud, Bitcoin, blah-flipping-blah.
This battery powered utopia is pie-in-the-sky, and the most likely eventual outcome is a population scavenging around in the dirt for food scaps, surrounded by toxic piles of expensive, unuseable electronic junk. And all because there isnt enough electricty generation to run, or charge, any of it, never mind manufacture anything vaguely useful. You'll have to harness your children to a plough just to attempt growing a few vegetables. 🙄 National Grid FAQ |
Let me help you with that. A cold, cloudless winter night followed by a windless day (standard high pressure scenario) means no wind power and very little solar - the UK hasn't invested in tidal power so where in fact is the electricity going to come from? When you factor in how few charging points there are and how many houses have only on-street parking, there is nothing like the required infrastructure in UK to support full EV ownership at all. |
As the report states "Even if we all switched to EVs overnight, we believe demand would only increase by around 10%. So we’d still be using less power as a nation than we did in 2002"
We believe........ in other words, they don't actually know, it's a guess |
The demand would stay low simply because there aren't enough charging points.
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Isn't there a thread on JB where you can park the EV debate and we can get back to talking about aeroplanes?
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No one has ever laid out how your can charge all the vehicles owned by people in a multi storey block of flats for example
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
(Post 11428447)
Isn't there a thread on JB where you can park the EV debate and we can get back to talking about aeroplanes?
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Originally Posted by Shaft109
(Post 11428002)
Having seen a small Li Ion pack on fire I'd like an electric aircraft to have jettison able batteries - so a drop tank style thing to get it away from you whilst maintaining CG.
The fires are ferocious - |
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