Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11409316)
Avitruc was the manufacturer's name for the aircraft, wisely ignored by the DoD, who designated it as the Provider in military service.
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Originally Posted by sycamore
(Post 11409998)
Twin Pioneers had a long pole,with a hoop on the end,for turning the prop,minimising `hydraulicing` before starting,sometimes used for starting,but `Brakedwell` would be the man to tell of `derring-do`...
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11409783)
Somewhere there's a pic of a whole herd of passengers doing that on a DC-2 somewhere in the Dutch East indies - might have been in the London -Sydney Air race
Had the same inertia starter system on the An2 (the engine was a direct copy of the Wright Cyclone) and a hand-starter on a Stearman PT17, One Dak pilot told me they'd used the prop-dome rope trick using a Mini instead of humans to pull start an engine! |
Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
(Post 11409398)
Perfectly valid technique in Albert.
3 Engined Ferry T/O required a sign off by Group however. On another occasion I was verbally authorised by the AOC to depart on one engine in a twin engined helicopter, but that’s a story best not told in public. |
I think it's the Khormaksar thread which contains accounts of a Land-Rover and rope around the spinner being used to start a TwinPin which played up while delivering stuff up-country. Worked very well and seems to have been (unofficial) procedure if no trolley-acc available.
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Just finished Flying through Midnight. A cracking story, very revealing regarding methods of dealing with stress. The descriptions of Desktop and others ring true, you would like to think that your superiors would have provided top cover but not so sure now. The REMFs all there, collecting flying pay and no doubt medals, flying on safe sorties. I thought the final story about the arrival at Long Tien was a bit supernatural and wondered if the book was fictional. The story of Wiley's limousine is classic.
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The C123s used in Laos were just one type in the most 'mixed bag' of aircraft types I have ever come across in one organisation's inventory. Vientiane was a hive of activity with constant re-supply flights using C46s, 123s, Helio Courers, PilatusPorters, Dornier 27 and 28s(?), a civilianised Hudson, Beech !8s with Air America, plus helicopters and other types involved in local 'businesses'. The reference to 'interesting' approaches to Laos airfields could have included a local Ex-French Marine (self-taught pilot !) who provided 'unusual cargo' transport to remote strips in a Beech 18, the approach being made from a known mountain peak above cloud descending on a timed heading and descent rate to a valley cloud break !! It was most certainly 'cowboy country' including one ex Zantop (?) Airways captain who wore the essential low slung belt with a pair of pearl-handled revolvers. We made one of our regular visits using a 'borrowed' Twin-Pin instead of the Devon and gave a demo to the Air America people - who seemed impressed.
John le Carre's "The Honourable Schoolboy" mentions at least one character from the time - the manager of the Constellation 'hotel' Maurice Cavallieri (sp?) |
I believe Boeing 307 Stratoliners were still operating in Laos into the early 1970s.
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Originally Posted by stevef
(Post 11410231)
A lot of DC3s/C47s/Dakotas, call them what you will,
Read the story, it's a fascinating tale of strapping a DC3 wing under another DC2 then flying it to the site and bolting it onto the DC2 to form the DC2 1/2 as the wing was considerably longer, then flying it out. Link at the bottom. Woody hurriedly led his crew and passengers into a wooded area away from the airplane. Sure enough, the Japs spotted the airplane and immediately started bombing it. A number of bombs were dropped; one a hundred (100) Kilo struck the right wing, went through it and exploded under the wing. Needless to say, the wing was blown to jagged splinters. The rest of the airplane was also badly damaged. As a matter of fact, hardly a square foot of it escaped extensive damage. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4fd5287c74.png https://cnac.org/aircraft02.htm |
I believe Boeing 307 Stratoliners were still operating in Laos into the early 1970 |
Megan and Treadders - the 307 was operatring out of Tan Son Nhut in 61 - 64. I only ever saw that one in the Laos/Cambodia/Vietnam area.
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