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Lyneham Lad 25th Jan 2023 16:15

Russian warship with hypersonic Zircon missiles on drills in Atlantic
 
In The Times this afternoon.
Russian warship with hypersonic Zircon missiles on drills in Atlantic


Show of strength is in response to the potential delivery of American battle tanks to Ukraine. A Russian warship armed with hypersonic Zircon missiles has tested its strike capabilities in the western part of the Atlantic Ocean, after Russia warned Nato over the supply of more weapons to Ukraine.

Zircon missiles, which President Putin has hailed as “invincible”, have a range of 560 miles and can travel at nine times the speed of sound, according to the Russian military. A combination of speed, manoeuvrability and altitude makes the missiles difficult to track and intercept, experts say.

The exact location of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, which is armed with the missiles, is unclear, but the warship is said to have recently diverted towards the coast of the United States in a provocative show of strength by Moscow’s military.
Click the link for the remainder, photos & diagrams.



anxiao 25th Jan 2023 16:29

Article behind "The Times" paywall.


nevillestyke 25th Jan 2023 16:33


Originally Posted by anxiao (Post 11373659)
Article behind "The Times" paywall.

An iron curtain is being drawn across the free press.

Ninthace 25th Jan 2023 16:34

Was it not a computer simulation? Never miss with a simulation!

Lyneham Lad 25th Jan 2023 16:39


Originally Posted by anxiao (Post 11373659)
Article behind "The Times" paywall.

Odd, usually the links work. It is quite a lengthy article, broken up by photos, diagrams, adverts etc so a bit of a pain to separate out the text - hence posting the link. Anyway, here's more:-

The Russian defence ministry said Zircon missiles had been tested by computer simulation and that they had “destroyed” a target over 500 miles away.It is not thought that any missiles were launched by the Admiral Gorshkov, but videos released by Russian media showed the vessel’s missile bays opening while crew members simulated a launch sequence. Russia last test-fired a Zircon missile in May in the Barents Sea.

This month the frigate was escorted through British waters by the Royal Navy, and then by French and Spanish ships through the Atlantic.

It was due to head south past South Africa to the Indian Ocean and enter the Mediterranean Sea through the Suez Canal. But monitoring sites claim it took a sudden diversion and headed west towards Bermuda. Pro-Russian telegram users have claimed this week that it had been “spotted on radar in neutral waters of the Atlantic Ocean — at an effective salvo launch distance from the US coast”.


The reports were not confirmed by the Russian Defence Ministry, nor commented on by the United States. But Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy head of Russia’s national security council, said this month that the Admiral Gorshkov, which is also likely armed with Kalibr cruise missiles and torpedoes, could be deployed about 100 miles off the coast of the United States.

Russia has threatened on a number of occasions that it will use its nuclear arsenal to defend occupied regions of Ukraine that it claims as its own, including Crimea, which it annexed in 2014, while accusing the West of escalation by sending weapons and supplies to the government in Kyiv.
The rest of it is mostly Russia blaming the West etc etc.

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pasta 25th Jan 2023 16:49


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11373662)
Was it not a computer simulation? Never miss with a simulation!

This is Russia we're talking about, I'm sure they could give it a good try...

_Agrajag_ 25th Jan 2023 16:55


Originally Posted by anxiao (Post 11373659)
Article behind "The Times" paywall.


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DaveReidUK 25th Jan 2023 17:07


The exact location of the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, which is armed with the missiles, is unclear
Hmmm.

Who is The Times trying to kid ?

_Agrajag_ 25th Jan 2023 17:31


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11373701)
Hmmm.

Who is The Times trying to kid ?

No one other than some of its readership. If the whereabouts of the ship are really unknown I will eat my (long since thrown out) SD hat.

That was written to appeal to some of the people that read The Times. They like to believe that we are still living at a time when all ships in the middle of the ocean were invisible.

uxb99 25th Jan 2023 19:48

So this is a Russian show of strength.
Anyone care to make a comparison between Russian, US and NATO Naval assets?
I wouldn't be surprised if America has more fleets than Russia has ships.

MENELAUS 25th Jan 2023 21:09


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11373792)
So this is a Russian show of strength.
Anyone care to make a comparison between Russian, US and NATO Naval assets?
I wouldn't be surprised if America has more fleets than Russia has ships.


All well and good. It sadly just takes the one to get through. As we found out to our cost. On more than one occasion.

twb3 25th Jan 2023 22:16

Very confident that the U.S. Navy knows the precise whereabouts of this target threat at all times. Should a launch be detected against a NATO target, that ship would have a short life, but a merry one.

HarryMann 25th Jan 2023 23:07

Not sure. Russia hasvavhelluvavlitbif shios, China a ridiculous number

BFSGrad 26th Jan 2023 00:20


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11373701)
Hmmm.

Who is The Times trying to kid ?

Seems to be a lot of kidding going on by the media. The Zircon is simply a very expensive way to deliver a warhead to a target faster than a non-hypersonic missile. While hypersonic missiles are more difficult to defend against, the warhead carried is similar to non-hypersonic missiles.

Rockie_Rapier 26th Jan 2023 06:52

I'm just a little curious, are the Zircon missiles as effective as the Kerch bridge defenses? Those military trained dolphins we heard about struggeled dealing with that exploding truck.

Flyhighfirst 26th Jan 2023 06:57

Unlike Russia and China the US does not have many, if any at all deployed anti air weapons in the continental US. So a hypersonic missile is not needed as a normal missile would work just as well.

Edited to add I am not talking about ballistic missile defence.

jolihokistix 26th Jan 2023 07:10

Cuban missile crisis pt. II?

A lone Russian ship sitting duck off the coast of the US? What could possibly go wrong?

Ninthace 26th Jan 2023 07:40


Originally Posted by twb3 (Post 11373872)
Very confident that the U.S. Navy knows the precise whereabouts of this target threat at all times. Should a launch be detected against a NATO target, that ship would have a short life, but a merry one.

How so? Unless it has a shadow vessel.

pasta 26th Jan 2023 09:29


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11374060)
How so? Unless it has a shadow vessel.

As an indication of ship-borne capabilities, the Astute class sonar is claimed to have a range of 3000 miles (whatever that means in practice). SOSUS, or whatever's succeeded it, is presumably more capable. There's also satellite imaging (this is a surface vessel), ELINT, and plain old radar. I'd be amazed if tracking vessels such as this were even vaguely challenging or anything other than routine.

Ninthace 26th Jan 2023 11:01


Originally Posted by pasta (Post 11374137)
As an indication of ship-borne capabilities, the Astute class sonar is claimed to have a range of 3000 miles (whatever that means in practice). SOSUS, or whatever's succeeded it, is presumably more capable. There's also satellite imaging (this is a surface vessel), ELINT, and plain old radar. I'd be amazed if tracking vessels such as this were even vaguely challenging or anything other than routine.

Surely passive sonar will give you a bearing but not a range unless different sensors are combined (unless the SM is close enough to be in trail). Satellite imagery is intermittent, the claim was that the precise whereabouts was known at all times. Likewise, I would have thought ELINT and radar woud require a shadow vessel to provide reliable data.


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