Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 11341249)
Do please remind us what UK jobs are in the A400. Assembly is in Spain, engines built in Munich, the props come from France ... I think the wings do come from Chester, but the capacity there is sold out anyway on other Airbus programmes, so nothing additional.
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Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11341272)
Rolls Royce engines...
Europrop shareholders. |
https://www.airforce-technology.com/...9fURZEmPfPxIh8
Where do they get these figures from? Anyone who sees these every week knows this isn't true. The C130J is still covering tasks allocated to the C130J task line as they surge A400 Cap Dev. How did Leeeson leave DES and walk into his job? Surely he had insider knowledge. The interviews were so awkward. https://parliamentlive.tv/event/inde...98?in=11:32:30 |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 11341293)
28% RR engines, to be precise.
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Originally Posted by WHBM
(Post 11341249)
Do please remind us what UK jobs are in the A400. Assembly is in Spain, engines built in Munich, the props come from France ... I think the wings do come from Chester, but the capacity there is sold out anyway on other Airbus programmes, so nothing additional.
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
(Post 11341537)
It's not just about jobs. It's about skills retention, development, engineering design etc. There is already a huge shortage of qualified and experienced people (check the job market, engineer salaries are rocketing). The new batch have to be trained somewhere. However I do agree, binning the C130 without further A400 orders is nuts.
The engines have 30% Rolls-Royce content and more than 50% design. RR also have a substantial UK supply chain and in addition there are numerous UK equipment suppliers to the rest of the airframe including avionics, airframe sub assemblies, transparencies and role equipment. Stop this nonsensical dissing of anything British eh? Sorry Hovis, not meant for you, meant to reply to WHBM… |
Originally Posted by Rude C'man
(Post 11341474)
https://www.airforce-technology.com/...9fURZEmPfPxIh8
Where do they get these figures from? Anyone who sees these every week knows this isn't true. The C130J is still covering tasks allocated to the C130J task line as they surge A400 Cap Dev. How did Leeeson leave DES and walk into his job? Surely he had insider knowledge. The interviews were so awkward. https://parliamentlive.tv/event/inde...98?in=11:32:30 Takeaways: 1. MoD keeps changing the spec/requirements on all 3. So, easy to divert from the original question. 2. Dave Doogan, as you would expect (trained MoD engineer), asks a great question about Crowsnest. Equally good answer, probably having already spotted that most members don't know the history, or are wary of going there. (It's a mod, of a mod, of a mod, of a...., and the basic assumption in 1993 was that ASaC7 would be the last time, not least because the procurement strategy then was a political overrule). 3. Mark Francois. Oh dear. Digs holes and jumps in. 4. I thought Leeson spoke well, but then he would know MoD's weaknesses better than most. |
Originally Posted by GeeRam
(Post 11340928)
Not wishing to derail the thread :E with the subject of HS2, but Nutty, you need to do some reading up on HS2, as knocking 15 minutes off a journey time is NOT why HS2 is being built. HS2 is being built for the added capacity, by removing the fast through express trains from the WCML onto HS2 which will free up capacity on that route for added local train services and more importantly extra freight use.
However, chopping Albert and reducing Atlas buy seems barking mad.......(while having the highest houred C-17 fleet!) Once fully rolled out they can cancel all short-haul flights for Net Zero. |
Smoke, mirrors and downright lies. By late summer 2023 the extent of the lies will be clearer but it will be too late.
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Originally Posted by A4scooter
(Post 11341104)
Regardless of the A400 v C130 debate an aircraft can only be in one place at once & apart from Belgium & Luxembourg every other A400 operator has a fleet of smaller aircraft (C130, C235 & C295) to supplement the A400 fleet, is everyone else wrong & the RAF is right?
The RAF will be left with 2 x Falcon 900, 22 x A400, 8 x C17 & 10 x A330 while the UK has more military commitments than most & is heavily involved in humanitarian aid which will keep them very busy. |
Originally Posted by chevvron
(Post 11341040)
On the other A400 thread, it says the Spanish have some surplus.
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Originally Posted by mike1964
(Post 11341946)
Reading this with interest, but I wonder whether this is a huge capacity reduction, compared to say 40 years ago when the RAF's transport fleet was round 55 Hercules, 20 VC10s of various types (some with maindeck tanks so very little transport capability vs AAR). Admittedly 6 TriStars came along soon after, but even so... Sure, more aircraft back then, but in terms of total payload/range for the transport fleet?
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Probably not but then is it cost effective to have two types of tactical transport ?
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
(Post 11342280)
Probably not but then is it cost effective to have two types of tactical transport ?
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Not a chance that A400 is TacAT!
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Oh, and in terms of UK manufacture, you are aware that C-130J has RR engines and Dowty props, and that the servicing plant outside of the USA is Marshalls of Cambridge?
I would warrant that's more UK employment than the dross that is A400. |
Wasn't the primary driver for A400M FRES/Scout SV/Ajax?
How is that program going? |
Originally Posted by ExAscoteer2
(Post 11342332)
Not a chance that A400 is TacAT!
I thought Leeson says it can do static and freefall. It can likely do more CDS than a C130? And a much bigger range whilst doing so? Any reason why other tac drops can't be done? Looks like air sea rescue is already covered. I think Leeson implied it can take much more payload into given strip than a C130 - or it could have better shorter take-off landing than a C130 for the same payload. This also probably means it can take C130J type payloads + way more fuel for longer trips / multiple hops into various austere places without refuelling. I think he said it could operate onto softer strips full stop - ones the C130 presumably can't get into? I think it was quoted above that availability was higher on A400M than C17 and C130 recently. |
Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
Why do you say that?
Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
I thought Leeson says it can do static and freefall.
Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
nd a much bigger range whilst doing so?
Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
I think Leeson implied it can take much more payload into given strip than a C130 - or it could have better shorter take-off landing than a C130 for the same payload.
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Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
his also probably means it can take C130J type payloads + way more fuel for longer trips / multiple hops into various austere places without refuelling.
Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
I think he said it could operate onto softer strips full stop - ones the C130 presumably can't get into?
Originally Posted by JFZ90
(Post 11342362)
I think it was quoted above that availability was higher on A400M than C17 and C130 recently.
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I think you are wrong around at least the CBR point on A400M vs C130, which makes me doubt the rest of your assertions.
It may be bigger/heavier but has a lot more wheels... |
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