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ORAC 3rd Nov 2022 21:30

Mag, Grid & True North Align
 
Magnetic north, true north and grid north align over Great Britain for the first time in history.

Our calculations have discovered the three 'norths' will combine for the first time in history this week🧭

True north, magnetic north and grid north will combine at a single point - starting at Langton Matravers, a village just west of Swanage

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/new...PnhKNGR2fvNN_o


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Timelord 3rd Nov 2022 22:03

True N and Grid N don’t change do they, so I presume they have always coincided at that village?

True equals Mag, Local equals Zulu. What a day to be a navigator!

Lyneham Lad 3rd Nov 2022 23:22

So the 'add for mag, get rid for grid' beloved of hillwalkers etc becomes redundant?

DaveReidUK 3rd Nov 2022 23:30


Originally Posted by Timelord (Post 11325078)
True N and Grid N don’t change do they, so I presume they have always coincided at that village?

Yes, True N = Grid N for anywhere in the UK on the 2W meridian.

Wensleydale 4th Nov 2022 07:06

Don't tell the BBC: they will start to blame it on Global Warming.

reds & greens 4th Nov 2022 08:49

Ruddy Brexit

SRFred 4th Nov 2022 09:01

Is there an equivalent situation 180 degrees removed, eg the southern hemisphere?

Wensleydale 4th Nov 2022 09:03

I remember being informed at a morning brief that due to the reduction in magnetic variation, Waddington's runway was no longer "two one" but "two zero": a co-pilot put up his hand and asked if the other end was still zero three.

Wensleydale 4th Nov 2022 09:06


Originally Posted by SRFred (Post 11325254)
Is there an equivalent situation 180 degrees removed, eg the southern hemisphere?

Same as the Northern Hemisphere: along the 2W line - because compasses always point to magnetic north.

[email protected] 4th Nov 2022 09:10

Bring back the LightWeightNavAid from the AH1 Gazelle so we can use it without doing Grivation calculations........

Asturias56 4th Nov 2022 09:21


Originally Posted by Wensleydale (Post 11325197)
Don't tell the BBC: they will start to blame it on Global Warming.


well magnetic North has been moving somewhat faster than usual recently I understand

of course we're also getting closer to the point when the earth's field will flip and North becomes south - "it's grim up South " doesn't have the same ring to it

Timelord 4th Nov 2022 11:04


Originally Posted by Wensleydale (Post 11325256)
Same as the Northern Hemisphere: along the 2W line - because compasses always point to magnetic north.

The significance of 2W is that it is the central meridian (?) of the particular transverse Mercator projection used by OSGB. That is why TN and OS GN coincide along that line.

ShyTorque 4th Nov 2022 11:10


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11325263)
well magnetic North has been moving somewhat faster than usual recently I understand

of course we're also getting closer to the point when the earth's field will flip and North becomes south - "it's grim up South " doesn't have the same ring to it

Just hold the chart upside down….easy.

911slf 4th Nov 2022 12:39


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11325263)
well magnetic North has been moving somewhat faster than usual recently I understand

of course we're also getting closer to the point when the earth's field will flip and North becomes south - "it's grim up South " doesn't have the same ring to it

If you want to be ultra-pessimistic read Jim Al Khalili's book "Sunfall" which postulates a coronal mass ejection hitting Earth just at the point when the magnetic field passes through a temporary zero. Not likely but not impossible. Very nasty.

63000 Triple Zilch 4th Nov 2022 18:53

Heathrow’s runway alignment
 
With the ever changing magnetic North does this mean that at any time in the near future we will see 27R and 27L revert to 28R and 28L? I remember it changing sometime in the 1970s and surely with the ever changing magnetic North it should change back at some point.

ORAC 4th Nov 2022 19:31

With the proliferation of GPS/PNR equipment, and the weakening and variability of Mag, at what stage will everything switch to True at all levels rather than just the upper air?

Its been a joke for years at places such as Goose Bay to watch FJs fly the approach patterns 30+ degrees out till nudged….

kinda like the QFE/QNH thing….

DaveReidUK 4th Nov 2022 21:06


Originally Posted by 63000 Triple Zilch (Post 11325535)
With the ever changing magnetic North does this mean that at any time in the near future we will see 27R and 27L revert to 28R and 28L? I remember it changing sometime in the 1970s and surely with the ever changing magnetic North it should change back at some point.

Heathrow's runways are closer to 260°T than to 280°T, so don't hold your breath.

RetiredBA/BY 4th Nov 2022 21:06


Originally Posted by Wensleydale (Post 11325255)
I remember being informed at a morning brief that due to the reduction in magnetic variation, Waddington's runway was no longer "two one" but "two zero": a co-pilot put up his hand and asked if the other end was still zero three.

As an ex V force copilot that seems to me a sensible question as magnetic variation changes with geographic location as well as time !
Hat, coat !

RetiredBA/BY 4th Nov 2022 21:07

Anyone ?


reynoldsno1 5th Nov 2022 00:45

Down here in the Antipodes variation varies between 18 to 25E, the isogonals lying roughly east-west across NZ. During my time as an instrument flight procedure designer we had to change runway designators on a number of occasions.


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