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Lima Juliet 10th Sep 2022 23:38


Originally Posted by cynicalint (Post 11294515)
LJ, If the King can wear previous ciphers, he has given us the precedence to do do as well!

Not really, for 3 reasons - one, His Majesty was not in uniform, two, he was 4 when His grandfather died, and three, the Royals can pretty much wear what they like as it is their dressing up box! :ok:

cynicalint 10th Sep 2022 23:48

Fairy Nough! But the crown used is still the crown, either the Tudor or the Edward crown, - we can wear both, .

bobward 11th Sep 2022 17:03

Whatever crown it may be, wear it with honour and pride.

(Excuse an old civvy, former VRT, butting in here)

VictorGolf 11th Sep 2022 17:16

Probably a daft question but there were a lot of EiiR crests on the back of the ceremonial dress being worn by the trumpeters and so on yesterday. Will these all have to be scrapped and replaced by the new crest or can they be altered?

mabmac 11th Sep 2022 18:14

Union Jack, I'm afraid to say that I believe your source is mistaken. Without wishing to hijack this thread, let me explain why I think this. At Dartmouth (September 1973) we were issued with the battledress in lieu of No 5s, which weren't issued on entry but were only ordered (tailor made to fit, supposedly) closer to passing out. We were also issued with a Sea Jersey which we wore outside our shirts in the same way as the woollie pullie would be worn. At the time in the Fleet the jerseys were only uniform for the sailors and not officers, and were worn underneath No 8 shirts (the heavy blue ones); we only wore them at Dartmouth while under training. In April 1974 I flew out to Mauritius to join a ship's deployment to the Far East and the woollie pullie was introduced after this. On return to home waters for Christmas that year we undertook a RAS with an RFA and everyone on board was issued with a single woollie pullie. The entitlement was 2 but because of limited stocks we had to collect the second one from stores once we had docked in Portsmouth.

As a check that my memory is not faulty you may like to see the following:

https://talesfromthesupplydepot.blog...y-wooly-pully/

https://www.navy-net.co.uk/community...-no-8s.114063/

Herod 11th Sep 2022 21:13


Originally Posted by bobward (Post 11294913)
Whatever crown it may be, wear it with honour and pride.

(Excuse an old civvy, former VRT, butting in here)


Add a plus one to that.

Tocsin 12th Sep 2022 21:11


Originally Posted by VictorGolf (Post 11294920)
Probably a daft question but there were a lot of EiiR crests on the back of the ceremonial dress being worn by the trumpeters and so on yesterday. Will these all have to be scrapped and replaced by the new crest or can they be altered?

And today the Yeoman Warders had a Tudor crown (and had this last year, probably due to being formed by one of the Henrys - VIII?). They had sashes that mostly covered the E of the ER, but was occasionally visible.

Apologies for the nerdish reply, the only time I've watched any TV in the last four days was for a few minutes this morning with the Westminster Hall loyal addresses...

langleybaston 12th Sep 2022 21:36

Expense is, and always was, a major consideration regarding uniform change at the accession of a new monarch. I am confident that change will be slow, we are talking big money for change before items wear out.

Time was [c. 1903] when the Foot Guards had two scarlet Home Service tunics [band had three], and an undress tunic [little known and seen, worn in barracks], a special pattern scarlet frock [also barracks], a white drill jacket, and two suits of khaki service dress.

BEagle 12th Sep 2022 21:37

Have you kept yours?

oldmansquipper 12th Sep 2022 22:17

Tudor crown? Queens Crown? Whatever…

We, with a vested interest in the RAF, should be grateful that the crown has not been replaced by a rainbow or some such….

Yet.

cynicalint 12th Sep 2022 22:35


Originally Posted by oldmansquipper (Post 11295735)
Tudor crown? Queens Crown? Whatever…

We, with a vested interest in the RAF, should be grateful that the crown has not been replaced by a rainbow or some such….

Yet.

Exactly! I have a GSM with ERII wearing the 'Kings Crown'. I have OSMs showing her wearing the 'Queens Crown'. It is the Crown we serve, and show that by wearing it. The shape of the crown is neither here nor there, depending on when the item was bought or presented. I am proud to wear items of uniform or medals depicting either crown - and I am proud to wear a Brevet, - the badge that came with a certificate, and, after 100 years of usage, the word now means a recognition of flying qualifications by a woven certificate to wear on a uniform. Semantics are one thing, reality is another.

airsound 13th Sep 2022 13:53

I've just discovered a set of blazer buttons belonging to my uncle, who died on 31 August 1940, flying a Hurricane on 257 Sqn in the Battle of Britain. The picture shows his button alongside my own.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0379ede97a.jpg


airsound

langleybaston 13th Sep 2022 14:28


Originally Posted by cynicalint (Post 11295742)
I am proud to wear a Brevet, - the badge that came with a certificate, and, after 100 years of usage, the word now means a recognition of flying qualifications by a woven certificate to wear on a uniform. Semantics are one thing, reality is another.

A woven certificate ............... not to be found in QRs or Dress Regs, they say something about a flying badge. The brevet battle is lost, apart from rumblings of discontent.
This brevet thing, is it pronounced to rhyme with rivet or ballet?

Tankertrashnav 14th Sep 2022 17:38


Originally Posted by airsound (Post 11296110)
I've just discovered a set of blazer buttons belonging to my uncle, who died on 31 August 1940, flying a Hurricane on 257 Sqn in the Battle of Britain. The picture shows his button alongside my own.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0379ede97a.jpg


airsound

I collect miltary buttons and have examples of both of the buttons you illustrate. In the case of the earlier type I found a set of them on the original card and in mint condition, but yours are very desirable, belonging as they did to your uncle who died in the Battle of Britain. A lovely family heirloom.

idle bystander 15th Sep 2022 17:23


This brevet thing, is it pronounced to rhyme with rivet or ballet?
Neither, I hope, if you're any sort of poet ... nor, come think of it does it rhyme with poet. But I don't think the "et" is silent

flyingorthopod 15th Sep 2022 18:20


Originally Posted by idle bystander (Post 11297281)
Neither, I hope, if you're any sort of poet ... nor, come think of it does it rhyme with poet. But I don't think the "et" is silent

I think it rhymes with "moet"

langleybaston 15th Sep 2022 18:52

Some call a flying badge a brevet
a source to pedants of regret.
As to pronunciation some use "ballet".
Others, working class, rhyme "rivet"
Much like old Scrotum*, my late valet.

* the wrinkled old retainer.


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